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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 29 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, they're "not very good". Hower, if they lie, they're liable. They do not like that at all. So, if you say "Is it of traditional brick construction", for instance, and it turns out to be say Norfolk clay lump, or even cob, then they could be in trouble.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 29 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
kramdra wrote:
I am looking at houses at the cheaper end of the market. Would like more info on construction methods to be avoided.


First advice I'd give is don't think high end = well built. For example, take the flats at Harbourside, Bristol. They're effectively concrete frame and form for the structure with external walls made of a cement board and 60mm Expanded Polystyrene foam panel, topped off with some pretty coloured render. To my knowledge they don't even have fireboard linings on the inside of the compartment where they meet the exterior wall. Screw that for a game of soldiers.


As materials get all 'high tech' I think builder cut more corners or don't have a fcuking clue what they are playing with.

They clash hooses together in a number of weeks now-a-days when 'properly' constructed house 40 or 50 years ago took months. Brick by brick. Enough wood was used so that the building would last. My Grandfather was a bricky and my uncle was his apprentice. They told me, If you build a house make sure you do it as best as you can because you will be long gone and that house will still be standing.'
When pride was important and good quality work got you the good quality pay.
They don't even use proper tradesmen to build houses now. It's all Push-Fit Plumbers and Pull-It-Through Sparkies.
Maybe a tradesman signs off the certs but no tradesman did much of the work.
The materials do not need the skills to clash together now.
Go into any B&Q now and you'll hear guys on their phone, "Vrszm spyrszzetski, pwztzvch da vizhc chyzsek."
The hooses over in Poland and Lithuania are all beautifully constructed eh?
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 30 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Yes, they're "not very good". Hower, if they lie, they're liable. They do not like that at all. So, if you say "Is it of traditional brick construction", for instance, and it turns out to be say Norfolk clay lump, or even cob, then they could be in trouble.


What follows is proper off- topic, BCF stylee...

What kind of moron can mistake brick for cob, although in this day and age where everyone is an expert thanks to Google maybe it's not unexpected???
Tricky to get a mortgage on cob unless you have a huge down payment, at least it was back in the early 90's quite possibly nigh on impossible now. Not sure why because it's a good solid build type, the problems start when have a go heroes use modern exterior paints and not lime based ones.

Back to an earlier comment you made about aggregate obtained from mine tailings, Mundic, whilst the Cornish units were from a Cornish firm they are found all over the country and the likelihood of PRC panels all being cast in an affected area of the South West is unlikely. Don't forget the reason Mundic was an issue was because back in the fifties one would source concrete materials locally whereas today you'd get it from a national supplier like RMC ( assuming that they haven't gone broke yet). I presume that the manufacturer would have precast the panels at sites near the new build estates.
A good friend of mine was an architect with Bristol council and we used to have some very interesting chats about the Patchway estate and Cornish units with concrete cancer - a common post war problem because good steel was in short supply and there was a drive to house families quickly in pre fabs that were designed to last 10-15 years, so using crap steel wasn't seen as an issue.
My home town of Totnes addressed the issue of the PRC panels on Cornish units back in the eighties, I used to walk past them on my way to school every morning and it was screamingly obvious that they had concrete cancer, great big chunks had fallen off pushed away by rusting rebar. If they had been Mundic problems the concrete would have crumbled away, rather than coming off in chunks. I had assumed that you were a Wes'country lad talking Mundic but just in case you're not, Totnes be in Deb'm, m' luvver.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 30 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

As materials get all 'high tech' I think builder cut more corners or don't have a fcuking clue what they are playing with.

Go into any B&Q now and you'll hear guys on their phone, "Vrszm spyrszzetski, pwztzvch da vizhc chyzsek."

The hooses over in Poland and Lithuania are all beautifully constructed eh?


1)And the quality of pine in just the last 35 years has gone from being good to poo.
2) Are you aware that you slipped in a couple of vowels in that sentence?
3) They probably are, but they will have been built by builders not doctors, vets, accountants and oicks, etc.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 30 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:

What kind of moron can mistake brick for cob, although in this day and age where everyone is an expert thanks to Google maybe it's not unexpected???


They do, though. Some bloke who came to but a house in Norfolk, of clay lump, was most distressed when his surveyor (you see?) reported it was lumpwork. A beautiful cottage in Cornwall[1], with cob walls, was assumed by another disappointed buyer, to be "rock" (!). I'm not sure what business you have calling me "my lover", by the way, but then again I'm old-fashioned and not Devonian.

[1] I saw it a couple of years ago. Dear God. The untarmac'd road is now tarmac. The gateway opposite leads to a hippyesque construction in the top meadow, which is now partly car-park. The steps to the barn have a twee imitation-wrought-iron bannister, and the well's a display thing. The barn itself is now a conversion with big windows. Spew. The listed house itself looks the same, but the ground all around has been dug up, flattened, and sprinkled with ghastly garden furniture and white crushed stone (no, not clay waste...). Up the road, there's a stone circle in another field. It's all "no entry", "no soul", or at least only an ersatz one, and "no-one at home". Sad
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