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PostPosted: 21:14 - 25 Aug 2018    Post subject: What bike..yes another one Reply with quote

I fancy a change from my gpz900.
It's a great bike but it is old and somewhat fragile..parts are expensive.

What is the most bike I can get for £3000?
Must be fast
Comfort level not relevant as will be a fun bike so 50-100 rides every now and then
Must handle well
Be reasonably reliable

I've been eyeing up v twins like the tl1000 and RSV mille which seem good value

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PostPosted: 02:11 - 26 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two you've mentioned plus the earlier Tuonos. For a little over 3k you might get a KTM 990. SV1000 if you like twins. There's another similar thread ongoing at the moment (talks more about exhaust sound but the suggestions mostly fit what you're looking for.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 26 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSXR1000, On your budget a pristine k1/k2 with change left over, or a very tidy k3/k4. Fast as fuck, handle well and those earlier ones still offer a reasonable level of comfort. Maintenance is pretty easy too no electronic gizmos beyond fuel injection.

If GSXR's are not your flavour the above also applies to R1's & 'blades from a similar (2001-2005) period (but the gixxer is better).

I suggest litre il4's because you are asking the most bike for the price and they put out more power than a litre twin.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 26 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgm wrote:
For a little over 3k you might get a KTM 990.


You'd need about 4500 for a half decent 990.

Depends on what you mean by 'fast'. They're 'only' 115bhp but they have a mother load of torque, so they deliver the power pretty savage like. The handling of my SMT is brilliant but I'm under no illusions, it's still a big bike and a well ridden blade would dick it pretty easily.


ZX12R?
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ninja-zx12r/283117932261?hash=item41eb24cee5:g:XewAAOSwgsVbfPUZ
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 26 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1,blades and the like would be my go to, but they are everywhere it seems. As are gsxrs which I haven't really considered before... People rave about them so I probably should give one a go

One of the reasons I ride a 900r is because you don't see them very often. Turn up to a bike meet and you'd be lucky to see another one. I'm yet to spot one whilst I'm riding.

This factor is why I was considering the tl1000 variants. They're modern enough yet I don't really see them that much.

Had considered the sv1000 but something tells me it's a budget tl..
Zx12 is an epic bike..I would in a heartbeat if I was commuting but otherwise it's a big ol' lump

The tuono ticks the box very well....
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 26 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want big comfy and fairly quick, the Aprilia RSV is possibly the unbeatable sports twin in your budget and an R version or a Factory is a pretty special bike.

The SV1000 is a strange bike in that it got a proper rear suspension that worked, and is probably the best use made of the TL engine. Its not that nicely built though, and is de-tuned so it's no TL or even Firestorm, and like those bikes it's not perfectly sharp out of the box. I think you'll be possibly disappointed with the top end speed after your GPZ900, as it's not 156mph fast.

Have you considered a late Triumph 955i? They are rare to see around, and are a huge bike for a 950cc engine, somewhere between ZX9R and Thunderace in dimensions, but they can be made to handle ok.

The 5PW R1 and K1-3 GSXR 1000's are far far more bike and more capable tho I'd say. I really liked the last of the Baba designed 03 Fireblade I took out once, but if I was after a Blade today I'd probably go for one of the tiny compact 08> ones.

Could 3k stretch to an odd ball twin like the first KTM RC8's?
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
...I think you'll be possibly disappointed with the top end speed after your GPZ900, as it's not 156mph fast....


this is my thinking. The urge and speed of the 900r is something i'm used to after a couple of years. Its fun to ride but doesnt scare the shit out of me... imo a bike needs to do that or the thrill is not there.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

pompousporcupine wrote:
stevo as b4 wrote:
...I think you'll be possibly disappointed with the top end speed after your GPZ900, as it's not 156mph fast....


this is my thinking. The urge and speed of the 900r is something i'm used to after a couple of years. Its fun to ride but doesnt scare the shit out of me... imo a bike needs to do that or the thrill is not there.


So remove a front brake disc and caliper, and put a tired 2nd hand shock on, et voila! Scary bike Laughing

Alternatively, try to ride your favourite bit of twisty road at twice the speed you usually do Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Re: What bike..yes another one Reply with quote

pompousporcupine wrote:
I fancy a change from my gpz900.
It's a great bike but it is old and somewhat fragile..parts are expensive.

What is the most bike I can get for £3000?
Must be fast
Comfort level not relevant as will be a fun bike so 50-100 rides every now and then
Must handle well
Be reasonably reliable

I've been eyeing up v twins like the tl1000 and RSV mille which seem good value

Help.
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I had a 750R a few years and didn't think parts were expensive, well except bodywork as stuff like that was starting to go NLA.

Why do you need to spend 3000?

It would seem to me a better choice might be to get a marginally newer bike than the 900r, with a bit more power and better parts availability for cheaper

Funnily I was actually looking at a ZZR1000 for sale locally this morning for sub 2k - seems like a slightly more modern equivalent of the gpz.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

pompousporcupine wrote:
Its fun to ride but doesnt scare the shit out of me... imo a bike needs to do that or the thrill is not there.


If that's the aim a late '90's ZX7R or GSXR 750 will out perform and out handle it.

The litre bikes I mentioned earlier will full on blow it out of the water.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think now's a great time to buy a carb fed R1, 99-2000 model, as ignoring red/white 98 models it is a huge step up in performance and handling to most pre-millenium bikes, and the values of any tidy one are going to rise!

In fact I recently read that bikes with carbs are the new two strokes, in that anything before the EFI era will be the next sought after thing and have a price explosion follow them. In 10years it'll be very hard to find a carbed 90's-00's bike and many of them you do see will be old shitters by then.

The other reason I say R1 is that OP's bike was a revelation in 84 and so much better than anything else in its class. Sure Honda had more cc and power with the VF1000R but the extra weight blunted it's effectiveness.

The R1 was the last fucking huge step in sports bike design. The only real big step change since then was BMW building a 600 size and weight 1000 that broke 200bhp on the show room floor.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 29 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

@stevo

I hadn't really considered that of the R1 before. Its certainly one of the reasons i like the 900r so much. Prices are pretty reasonable too for something around the 20k mile mark.


The short list is currently
TL1000R
RSV MILLE R
R1
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 29 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well at the end of the day that's still a nice short list to have. I think unless your a Suzuki fanboy or love the split opinion melty aerodynamic styling of the TLR then I'd be looking harder for the other two bikes. Saying that your requirements suggest that you are going to own and treasure your next bike for a long time and enjoy short sunny blasts on it etc. So if I found a local mint example of any of them I'd be right on it, considering how much bike you can get for the budget too.

But all said, while I really like the sound of a sharp big twin, and the Aprilia is very sharp. I'd say you gotta get yourself a carb fed R1 they are the nuts!

One of the best looking Japanese sports bikes of the 90's and while it's not Ducati minimalist and saucy, that pointy front end looks the bollocks to me! A definite classic and it did the same rip up the rule book and chew it to bits that your 900R once did too, so there's no better reason than that!
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