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Freddyfruitba...
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 18 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
That is considered to be the main risk with Naloxone, that youve effectively nulled someones high and they might get angry with you for wasting it.

Different world to the one I live in. Shocked
At what point would you administer nalaxone; aren't they comatose at that point and potentially near death? And then they wake up pissed off?
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PostPosted: 06:16 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds awfully like you're trying to get people sacked again.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

^This.

Why is OP so knotted up about what happened outside his work premises, and by who asked the manager to get involved, who witnessed them asking him and also why he cares either way if manager got involved or not, or indeed if another junkie dies?

And as for carrying round Nalaxone, then yeah a different world to mine too! You must be trained to administer it then too? If so and a dying junkie scum bag bothered your conscience that much why didn't you run out and stick your needle in them?

Why are you trying to find out who at work has a legal duty to do what, and yes it really does sound like your trying to get something over another person at work, is it for a moral, legal, or financial gain reason, or simply to try and blackmail or trip up another employee for wronging you? Shit place to be in and your gonna get stabbed in the back one day if your just out to cause trouble like that.

TL:Dr why can't you get a proper job anyway, instead of carrying round drugs to save/piss off junkies in the street?
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like trying to cover it's own back while trying to get others sacked. Total Twat Scum.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so...

Location: Sofa shop, high street.
Situation: Person lying in road outside, cars approaching. Shop staff can and do see this through big plate glass windows.

As shop staff, what would you do? Something? Nothing? It's entirely within your power to leave the premises, wave at cars to slow down or stop. Try to help the person away from the road, get them out of danger, etc.

For one of the shop staff that saw a colleague go (or NOT go...) to help and then start reporting them for going (or NOT going...) is an absolute cnuts trick that would achieve nothing of value to the world, and that reporting person should have their eyeballs percussively reset to look different ways.

Anyway, continue the thread, it's getting interesting. Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha abusive karma for pointing out the obvious.

What a cunt you are. (there, fill your boots you karma raping princess).
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Those who took the "first aid?", "Not bluudy likely more trouble than its worth" attitude. I hope if you come off your bike and find yourself in need of some assistance you have your "Please do not resuscitate or provide any medical attention or endeavour to insure any emergency services are informed, unless you have been specifically contracted to do so by myself" sticker on your helmet.


I personally don't think there's anything wrong with anyone adopting action either side of the fence tbh.

It's the reporting thing that tends to push people's buttons. But you know that already. I'm just not sure why you're surprised.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ribenapidgeon has resorted to rating my really old posts as boring.... isnt this against forum rules?
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

When someone does that, it means you win. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

AshWebster wrote:
@ribenapidgeon has resorted to rating my really old posts as boring.... isnt this against forum rules?

He did the same to me, my post was in 2007. Eleven years ago. Do I win a top trump? Laughing

The guy is a complete fool. I'm gonna guess he 'works' in the industry he feels is most likely to rescue him when the inevitable happens. But I wish it wouldn't.

Why not take up something more dangerous?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 19 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:

The guy is a complete fool. I'm gonna guess he 'works' in the industry he feels is most likely to rescue him when the inevitable happens. But I wish it wouldn't.

Why not take up something more dangerous?


I don't know, going out your way to get people fired, seems pretty dangerous to me.

After all you'll never know if the guy you just fired is a nutter, till he turns up after work one day and stabs you.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 20 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a heroin overdose, at least something good came out of it.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 20 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
If it's a heroin overdose, at least something good came out of it.


careful there, he'll come after you too
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 20 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

No, that's totally not relevant.

Personally, even though I have been trained as a ship board first aider whether I could help would depend on certain things -

An accident where you can usually see the injury is one thing. A collapse is another, you aren't trained to make diagnoses.


Yeah, long ago I did "first aid at sea". But the main thing I remember was in the training, having to move the casualty - and being told that this was far from ideal, but in situation xyz you have no choice.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 20 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Internet points to whoever can find the news article about the incident OP is referring to.

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PostPosted: 13:20 - 22 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either a) Ribenapigeon refused to offer first aid to another human in distress, or b) is trying to get someone sacked. Either way, he's a pretty reprehensible person.

Just calling it as I see it, and thought this before I'd even read arry's comment.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 24 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
That is considered to be the main risk with Naloxone, that youve effectively nulled someones high and they might get angry with you for wasting it.


I’ve seen a copper narrowly avoid being punched by a recently roused opiate user after I foolishly gave him naloxone intranasally (a previously permitted route of administration). It’s rather fast acting via the nose and he woke up incredibly quickly to find us stood back and a copper wondering why he was laying in the floor with the ambulance crew stood back a fair distance away. Needless to say his question was answered very quickly.

That’s why ambulance crews should be giving naloxone intramuscularly so opiate OD patients are kept in a groggy and compliant state.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 28 Sep 2018    Post subject: Re: liability in refusing to give first aid assistance. Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
If a manager was approached by an employee seeking assistance to give first aid to someone just outside the companies place of business and refused to do so when that manger has the appropriate training and access to particular specialised medical equipment is there hell to pay?


If by 'hell' you mean 'prosecution', then no. As MPD's post points out, HSW Act does not apply to passers-by who happen to be just outside the workplace.

If 'hell' means sued for damages (assuming this is in England), well then someone would need to sue (e.g. attempt to claim there is duty of care under common law). Sounds unlikely the injured party is in a position to do that, and even if they were then there are lots of reasons why they would be pretty unlikely to get very far at all.

TL;DR: no.

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Added to this if the manager then, when others present advised him he should go and help attempted to turn the blame on the worker who sought assistance what further fan/faeces issues could there be?


Er, maybe some sort of complaint from the offended worker? Worst case for manager, could be told to apologise, sent on (more) 'handling sensitive conversations' training.

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If other management including the manager in questions knew about the incident and did nothing then would anyone else raising the issue then find themselves in a whistle-blowing situation?


Only if someone follows the whistle-blowing procedure. Which will cause issues for the managers if there's some company policy which says something like "Our company values being part of the local community and our people Sick and especially our wider Leadership Team Sick Sick Sick are expected to engage positively with residents in our neighbourhood, and be helpful to vulnerable passers-by, etc".Which seems unlikely, but on the other hand some naïve companies do occasionally get carried away with their own halo-polishing BS.

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Ive looked up some HR and H+S stuff on the web and theres a few things about designated first aiders refusing to assist but nothing about someone whos not necessarily designated as being a first aider but who still has responsibility.


HR stuff = your company policy. H&S stuff = HSW Act (not applicable here) and common law duty of care (i.e. when are you responsible for your neighbour? And anyway isn't it enough to shout "You ok mate?" and call an ambulance?).
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