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I ordered a plate of chips but one of the waiters shat on my plate instead. Do I still have to eat it or can I re-evaluate?
Eat the Brexit shit. Democracy requires it.
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Re-evaluate and stay in EU
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Start negotiations to get a side chips with it.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Re: True Brexit story...and poll Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
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I think most people didn't realise what they were voting for

I hear this shit bandied about all of the time. Do you mean the people that voted leave didn't know and that the people that voted to remain all knew their onions?

I find that quite offensive. The most intellectual conversations on the matter that I have had, have been from people who voted to leave.
Oh and no, Immigration was not their main concern.


Well, there was Cameron's very pro-EU referendum leaflet. That told us what would happen, and everyone got a copy. We still voted to leave.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Re: True Brexit story...and poll Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
chris-red wrote:
I think most people didn't realise what they were voting for

I hear this shit bandied about all of the time. Do you mean the people that voted leave didn't know and that the people that voted to remain all knew their onions?

I find that quite offensive. The most intellectual conversations on the matter that I have had, have been from people who voted to leave.
Oh and no, Immigration was not their main concern.

Well of course many had no idea what was going on. It would be very unusual to have well educated citizens making informed decisions. This never happens. When you go to vote for a political party, you vote because the stuff they promise sounds alright to you, or the opposition did something that pissed you off before. Next to nobody has the knowledge nor education to fully understand politics, economy and other such areas.

Those who voted for leave did so, because feck Brussels. Those who voted for stay did so because they had an interest in the EU, a house in Spain perhaps, business deals, family members... Both camps knew feck all about what is going to happen and even the educated people now have no idea, as this has never happened before, not in such scale.

The whole referendum was a mistake, regardless of the outcome and I do believe the Brexit referendum will be part of the politiology textbooks for a long, long time. That being said a new referendum would not help.

Leave voters are happy, because they won. Remain voters are pissed because reasons. If this was the other way around, we would have the exactly same threads here, even by Val to tell us all how he and his mates from whatever EU country fought for the future.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
Does anyone, for example, work in an environment, or belong to a social group, who are predominately "remain" ?

I would imagine anywhere with a large immigration demographic would be a prime example.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
I still find it amazing that, given the % that the national press keep banding about, I've never seen an online discussion on Brexit where the leave and remain camp are roughly even.

It seems to me, this is purely anecdotal, that the remain camp must be pretty concentrated in a few, very large, social pockets, non of which I ever seem to interact with.

Does anyone, for example, work in an environment, or belong to a social group, who are predominately "remain" ?


I voted leave, my wife voted remain. 😲 Other than her and 1 other friend - everyone I speak to on the subject was leave.

And of those I speak to - no one has since changed their mind.

Her validation is that she thinks the country will grind to a halt if we leave with a no-deal.

I argue that if it gets to that point - we (as always) will grit our teeth and get on with it. Yes cabbage might cost a bit more. Bothered. Cancel sky and any increase in monthly costs is offset. Simples.

(Ok a bit simplistic)
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
I still find it amazing that, given the % that the national press keep banding about, I've never seen an online discussion on Brexit where the leave and remain camp are roughly even.

It seems to me, this is purely anecdotal, that the remain camp must be pretty concentrated in a few, very large, social pockets, non of which I ever seem to interact with.

Does anyone, for example, work in an environment, or belong to a social group, who are predominately "remain" ?


Yes. Remain is overwhelmingly the majority at my uni, both students and staff. Remain is also likely to be the majority in the civil service, schools, NHS etc. Given how big the state sector is that would easily secure them 30% to 40%.

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Those who voted for stay did so because they had an interest in the EU, a house in Spain perhaps, business deals, family members... Both camps knew feck all about what is going to happen and even the educated people now have no idea, as this has never happened before, not in such scale.


Actually expats in Spain seem to be for Britain leaving the EU.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye1250FA wrote:

And of those I speak to - no one has since changed their mind.


That to me is the real point of interest.

I voted leave and most people in my circle voted leave and are more pro 'No deal' now that anything.

I presume remainers think enough who voted out in the referendum have had enough scares thrown into them that they will change their mind if another vote can be wangled.

Maybe they have but it certainly isn't something I have come across. It seems more like us bloody minded Brits are getting more anti Europe over the game being played.

Obviously that's not how the Beeb and co portray it.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
Those who voted for stay did so because they had an interest in the EU, a house in Spain perhaps, business deals, family members... Both camps knew feck all about what is going to happen and even the educated people now have no idea, as this has never happened before, not in such scale.


Actually expats in Spain seem to be for Britain leaving the EU.


That's not the point. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Half my family are ex pats in Spain. Half of them voted leave / the other half remain.

I agree Polarbear. Part of me thinks a second ref would be funny as I've a feeling it might go a different way to what the remainers think 😂

I'm just annoyed at the thought of it. We had a vote. We have a decision. What if we do have a 2nd ref? And the result is the same or it's more like 60/40 leave? Do the remainers go for a third?!?

Let's just get on with it ffs.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
GSTEEL32 wrote:

Does anyone, for example, work in an environment, or belong to a social group, who are predominately "remain" ?


Yes. Remain is overwhelmingly the majority at my uni, both students and staff. Remain is also likely to be the majority in the civil service, schools, NHS etc. Given how big the state sector is that would easily secure them 30% to 40%.


Although i had actually left the shipping industry at the time of the referendum, i can guarantee 99% of the office staff in London would be pro EU as will just about every other large company office worker. They wouldn't want to upset the golden goose that keeps their wages up.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we leave the EU the Sun wont rise and we wont be able to grow peas.

If we stay all law and order will go to pot with life as we know it falling through the floor.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Yes. Remain is overwhelmingly the majority at my uni


So, does that mean students on the campus were actively campaigning ?

More importantly, were students physically going out and voting as a result?

Things have clearly changed a lot since the 90's .... we seemed to spend our time working or $hagging ..... ironically, the former supplied plenty of opportunity for the latter ...

I couldn't think of anything further from my mind as a 22 year old, than poxy politics ....
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 30 Sep 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
GSTEEL32 wrote:
Does anyone, for example, work in an environment, or belong to a social group, who are predominately "remain" ?

I would imagine anywhere with a large immigration demographic would be a prime example.


Not so, my company were predominantly remain (3 of us voted leave), but our niche consists of European manufactured products. So basically, it's profitability and exchange rate.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 01 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do wonder if the dumbing down of universities has led to a lowering of the standard of debate or questioning the status quo.

All these hairdressers going for a degree in wave curling doesn't bode well for the future of the country.

Put the voting age up to 31. The little cunts might have have some experience of life and looking after themselves by then.
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 01 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Yes. Remain is overwhelmingly the majority at my uni


So, does that mean students on the campus were actively campaigning ?

More importantly, were students physically going out and voting as a result?

Things have clearly changed a lot since the 90's .... we seemed to spend our time working or $hagging ..... ironically, the former supplied plenty of opportunity for the latter ...

I couldn't think of anything further from my mind as a 22 year old, than poxy politics ....


I doubt any students would have been campaigning as the referendum took place during the summer holidays. Final exams are in May, referendum was June 23rd (Independence Day).
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