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MarJay
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
iooi wrote:

Sure the fitting is faulty, but that is all the OP could look at claiming back. And he would have to have a breakdown of the cost to even look at that.



It's not the fitting which is faulty, it's his once good fork leg which they're damaged during fitting.


But that doesn't work in the context of credit card chargeback. Sure the company is liable but the tyres were supplied and fitted. Sure, the fitting was bodged up, but it was nevertheless completed so it's not the CC companies fault.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact the bolt snapped is possibly not their fault. But. If they were the ones to last touch it, it could be attributed to them.

That repair is fkn terrible. It's bloody awful and I suspect if you'd have been told, mate the bolt snapped when we tried taking it out, can we charge a "reasonable fee" to get it drilled out and sorted properly, you'd have said yes. If you were asked, shall we drill it with our eyes shut and use the wrong type of nut and bolt and say "that'll do". You'd have said no.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

might be worth letting everyone know which garage to avoid....

i bet none of them at the garage would be happy to ride with that repair.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow is all I can say. What a useless bunch of bell boys.

What have you decided to do?
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how big that boss on the casting is and if it would be possible to drill and tap it and fit a threaded insert with the same OD? Might even be possible to line-drill the centre of a large, fine-pitch bolt to make such an insert and screw it in from the outside?
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing a chargeback is just going to complicate things since the tyres aren't what the dispute is about.

OP will soon update us, unless he's died in a pinch bolt related crash. Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
I suspect if you'd have been told, mate the bolt snapped when we tried taking it out, can we charge a "reasonable fee" to get it drilled out and sorted properly, you'd have said yes. If you were asked, shall we drill it with our eyes shut and use the wrong type of nut and bolt and say "that'll do". You'd have said no.


That's pretty much the gist of it Doc - I would of much preferred a bill for say £250 and been without a bike for a while longer than this mess.... I'm not blaming them for the snapped bolt but why they didn't take their time and repair it carefully is beyond me.

Called in again this morning. Told the owner that 3 local MOT testers have warned it's an advisory at best, it looks bad and the bolt is neither suited to the job nor fastened properly. He wasn't happy at all that I'd gone elsewhere for a second opinion! One shouting match later he offered to take it back in, remove the fork and get it welded and re-threaded for no charge when I'm ready to drop it back in.

Somewhat apprehensive but at least we're getting somewhere... In the meantime the hunt continues for a cheap spare.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

And fully repainted so it shows no sign of the previous damage, too I'd hope.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this is why I don't use garages.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that you've seen the quality of their workmanship, I wouldn't trust them to make a cheese sandwich yet alone to remove the fork and get it welded and re-threaded.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

They kept quiet and hoped you wouldn't notice.
They did a terrible job of repairing it.
They used materials that are not suitable for the job.
They took your money.
They allowed you to ride off on a bike that could fail an MOT.

No. They would no longer be allowed to even look at my bike let alone try to fix their clusterfuck of messes. Take the bike to a mechanic you trust and the tyre place can reimburse you.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
iooi wrote:

Sure the fitting is faulty, but that is all the OP could look at claiming back. And he would have to have a breakdown of the cost to even look at that.



It's not the fitting which is faulty, it's his once good fork leg which they're damaged during fitting.



So back to the point...

What chargeback is going to be used

Come on. If you are going to cite options, at least give the OP the right info to go to his card company.

Assuming the OP did not pay in cash Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
They kept quiet and hoped you wouldn't notice.
They did a terrible job of repairing it.
They used materials that are not suitable for the job.
They took your money.
They allowed you to ride off on a bike that could fail an MOT.

No. They would no longer be allowed to even look at my bike let alone try to fix their clusterfuck of messes. Take the bike to a mechanic you trust and the tyre place can reimburse you.


This is the crux of it.

If it was me, I would get a conversation recorded with them - where they admit their mistake. Take loads of photos. Get signed documents from 2 other mechanics that are willing to state it's shit.

Letter before action giving 7 days to pay X amount related to you buying a second hand fork and getting a reputable mechanic to fit it. (Include costs provided by one of the two other mechanics of you got them.)

If they don't play ball - take them to court. For the amounts you are talking about it would only cost you £75 - £80 (https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/small-claims-court/

You'll win with the right evidence - I wouldn't expect them to even turn up.

If they don't pay - you get the added incentive that you can upgrade the claim to the high court and send the sherrifs around 😂🤣😂🤣😂

That's what I'd be doing now anyway. Their chance to rectify it nicely ended when they let you ride away on that deathtrap of a bodge.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

daws0n wrote:
Called in again this morning. Told the owner that 3 local MOT testers have warned it's an advisory at best, it looks bad and the bolt is neither suited to the job nor fastened properly. He wasn't happy at all that I'd gone elsewhere for a second opinion! One shouting match later he offered to take it back in, remove the fork and get it welded and re-threaded for no charge when I'm ready to drop it back in.

Somewhat apprehensive but at least we're getting somewhere... In the meantime the hunt continues for a cheap spare.


I doubt they'll be effecting the repair themselves so be sure to get the details of who is.
It's not a job I'd trust just anybody with.
Years ago I had access to the kind of equipment needed to sort this out, we have very little these days.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 23 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to go all legal about it, get records of what you say/do/they say (e-mails, real letters, "contemporaneous notes"...). Say what the damage is and that you want it fixed (they could reasonably offer to have it welded, which would require dismantling, or replace the fork leg). If that's a sticking point, then get 3 quotes for the work, and give them copies, saying that if they won't do it, you will have the work done and bill them. If nothing happens, have the work done, and bill them/use MCOL[1] if need be ( https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome ). Ensure you keep receipts and records of your reasonable expenses (this means reasonable expenses you reasonably incurred, not necessarily reasonable price).

I very much doubt you will get to the "getting three quotes" stage, especially if you are firm but avoid more "shouting matches" - be as nice as possible but determined - ensure you write down times/people you spoke to on a notepad, this has a wonderful effect.

Should your bike be fixed by these miscreants, I would be inclined to go over it most carefully with a friend and a camera both before and afterwards.

[1] This is a lead-in to what some peope call "the small claims court".
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah honestly I would refuse the welding repair. Imagine if they got it welded up somewhere else then the same monkey tried to drill and tap it again Laughing

Second hand fork lower I would feel much better about.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/kawasaki-er5-03-breaking-bike-for-spares-auction-for-bolt/302885506741?hash=item4685620eb5:g:ppwAAOSwVMlbnkfR:rk:2:pf:0
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seem to be lots about. Search terms for eBay:

kawasaki "er5" ("fork leg",forks,breaking) -selector
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just report them to Trading Standards rather than threatening to. Whatever they do or don't end up doing to make good their fuck up, it's still crap and dangerous that they didn't tell you about their ham fisted half arsed shoddy repair they saw fit to do after they damaged your bike.

Saying that its potentially an MOT advisory makes it seem like less of a big deal than it is. Therefore you should shamelessly steal what Stinkywheels said as it's harder for them to dispute or play down.

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Arsed up drilling aside, it's a stainless socket head capscrew where there should be high tensile steel and it''s a nut and bolt where there should be a part-threaded lag-screw clamp and even the nut has no locking device (spring washer or nylok) so it will rattle undone.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey. That's horrendous.
It's like they looked at it and just said fck it, it's an old bike and we can't be arsed to get it sorted properly.
Then again I wonder if they used an impact wrench to undo it, only set the wrong way.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

daws0n wrote:
Called in again this morning. Told the owner that 3 local MOT testers have warned it's an advisory at best, it looks bad and the bolt is neither suited to the job nor fastened properly. He wasn't happy at all that I'd gone elsewhere for a second opinion! One shouting match later he offered to take it back in, remove the fork and get it welded and re-threaded for no charge when I'm ready to drop it back in.

Somewhat apprehensive but at least we're getting somewhere... In the meantime the hunt continues for a cheap spare.


Is that leg aluminium or steel? If it’s steel, it’s a piece of piss and it’s something I’ve done before multiple times when I’ve cocked up a hole while doing some fabrication.
If it’s aluminium, they need to take it somebody who really, really knows what they’re doing. It takes a specialist welding set and a very good welder to do anything more than basic work and this thing is holding up you off the floor.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've no other advice to offer so I'll just chime in with


that "repair" is an absolute fucking disgrace
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
cocked up a hole.


Fnar. Sorry, carry on.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 24 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:

It's a grey area, but at the end of the day, the OP is financially out of pocket due to damage caused by a service he paid for on his card.


So you have no idea then......

Care to point to where "daws0n" said he paid on his card?

Chargebacks are not about being out of pocket, because of something that went wrong, on something that was paid on a card. They cover (in some cases) what you bought.

And there is no grey in chargebacks. The regulations are very black & white on what you can or can't do.
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