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Courier265
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 05 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It seems Apple is going USB-C. It's about time they did something like this. Using non standard connections is pretty poor for the consumer.


Yeah finally using a standard connection, however Apple will still over charge for the poor quality cables..
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 06 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Courier265 wrote:
Pjay wrote:


It seems Apple is going USB-C. It's about time they did something like this. Using non standard connections is pretty poor for the consumer.


Yeah finally using a standard connection, however Apple will still over charge for the poor quality cables..


Apple fleece their customers by selling you a fast charger (the expensive iPhone X only has a standard charger in the box) and then making you buy a cable to go with it.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 06 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
panrider_uk wrote:

Apple fleece their customers by selling you a fast charger (the expensive iPhone X only has a standard charger in the box) and then making you buy a cable to go with it.


Not defending Apple, but fast charger electronics are really expensive!
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:

Apple fleece their customers by selling you a fast charger (the expensive iPhone X only has a standard charger in the box) and then making you buy a cable to go with it.


Not defending Apple, but fast charger electronics are really expensive!


Samsung include them with the s9
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PostPosted: 05:24 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
My Samsung S7 Edge came with a fast charger as standard too
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
As does the OnePlus range Wink
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
What impresses me is that they'll sell you a fast charger and then sell you a cable so you can use it.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 07 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Not defending Apple, but fast charger electronics are really expensive!


I'm sure with Apples profits. They can afford to supply one.... Lets face it the phone is not exactly cheap anyway....

A fast charger for the phone is £49 from apple..... Hardly going to eat into their profits is it...

Is there any wonder people are changing away from apple.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 09 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
You'd be better off borrowing an android device and using it for an extended period of time to make up your mind. A thread full of reasons you just can't understand until you have to live with them won't help you make up your mind.

I came from apple years ago, would never go back. Converted the misses a year ago wit the S8 from an iPhone and she loves it.

The things I like best; Customisation, back key, cheaper and doesn't slow down each time the OS is updated (sneaky Apple).
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 09 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
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and doesn't slow down each time the OS is updated (sneaky Apple).

Simple solution, don't update them Wink
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
panrider_uk wrote:
What impresses me is that they'll sell you a fast charger and then sell you a cable so you can use it.


They'll buy it. It's always confused me. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
iooi wrote:


I'm sure with Apples profits. They can afford to supply one.... Lets face it the phone is not exactly cheap anyway....

A fast charger for the phone is £49 from apple..... Hardly going to eat into their profits is it...

Is there any wonder people are changing away from apple.


I'm just pointing out that fast charge electronics are expensive. They can afford to supply one, we know this because Samsung supplies one. They don't actually cost £49 to produce anyway, maybe £5 or something, as opposed to maybe £0.50 for a standard USB power supply.

As for Apple they have huge profit margins on everything. They are like a specialist in ripping people off for a product that has maybe 20% improved user experience details compared to its competitors. The prices will probably force people away from Apple though. Most of their phone being around £1k is just unrealistic. Personally I would not pay £1k for a phone Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:

Apple fleece their customers by selling you a fast charger (the expensive iPhone X only has a standard charger in the box) and then making you buy a cable to go with it.


Not defending Apple, but fast charger electronics are really expensive!


And crap.

You do not want to fast charge a battery. I mean, people do want that, but you should not, as it significantly reduces the life expectancy of such unit.

Also, if you own a phone, that won't last the whole day without charging, that it is not a good phone and/or the battery is too small/warn.
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RhynoCZ wrote:
You do not want to fast charge a battery. I mean, people do want that, but you should not, as it significantly reduces the life expectancy of such unit.

Also, if you own a phone, that won't last the whole day without charging, that it is not a good phone and/or the battery is too small/warn.


Sounds like phone manufacturers would want people to fast charge batteries then. They’ll sell more phones when people have knackered their batteries.

I’d love a phone with a bigger battery, that’s what made me interested in the Razer phone in the first place. I don’t need something that’s thin enough to slide under a door, I’d rather have a phone an inch thick that can cope with some heavy use if I need it.
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Sounds like phone manufacturers would want people to fast charge batteries then. They’ll sell more phones when people have knackered their batteries.

Well, yes. Smile

Ideally you should charge a Li-Ion unit slowly and you shouldn't exceed 85% of charge. Something in these lines is also what EV manufacturers state in the owner's manuals to their cars.

To be fair though, modern devices using Li-Ion batteries do have advanced power management systems and do reduce the ''speed'' of charging once you get past certain point, such as 60% charge and go slower and slower until they stop at 100% charge.

But still, fast charging is not good for the longevity.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 11 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Had Android phones for years and years, adamantly anti-Apple. Then had the misfortune to get an LG G3. Complete shite.

When that contract expired I realised I didn't give a monkeys about any of the reasons I'd been so supportive of Android. You can install anything? Never did. iPhone tax? Buy the cheaper/older hardware. Walled garden? Contains all the same apps I currently use.

So I picked up a cheap iPhone SE. Had it three years now, battery still lasts all day even with heavy usage and more importantly, it's still being updated. Every Android phone I had was abandoned after a few months.

I'm not an Apple fanboi but after years of mediocre-at-best Android devices I'd probably pick another cheap iPhone before an Android handset; as the current phone is still going strong I won't be looking for another year or two yet.

If you'd have asked this question 4 years ago, I'd have sounded like the die-hard Android fans posting in this thread!
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 11 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
dydey90 wrote:


Sounds like phone manufacturers would want people to fast charge batteries then. They’ll sell more phones when people have knackered their batteries.

I’d love a phone with a bigger battery, that’s what made me interested in the Razer phone in the first place. I don’t need something that’s thin enough to slide under a door, I’d rather have a phone an inch thick that can cope with some heavy use if I need it.


Phone reviewers: I want a thin phone with a narrow bezel
User: My phone is flat, do you have a charger? Oh no I dropped it because the phone is so rounded and smooth and slippery and now it has smashed like a piece of glass because it is a piece of glass.

Reviewers think a removable battery is a useless feature, but shaving tiny amounts from a bezel makes a dramatic difference to usability Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 11 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
chrisw wrote:
So I picked up a cheap iPhone SE. Had it three years now, battery still lasts all day even with heavy usage and more importantly, it's still being updated. Every Android phone I had was abandoned after a few months.

That's one thing I really don't like about Apple, that you have to update to the latest OS just to get security updates. With Android the previous two versions are supported, although that does leave it up to the manufacturer with what phones they're going to update.
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Had an S4 a while back, I loved the remote control feature on it and tried my best to convince myself that Android was better than Apple but before too long the phone slowed down, and the battery started to play up. I found it would tell me the memory was full when it wasn't, and performance dropped very quickly.

I went back to an iPhone, which just worked. However the only problem with iPhones is their battery. They rarely last a day.

I'm considering jumping ship to a One Plus to see what it's like these days.

The other major problem with Android phones, or Samsung to be specififc, is the cost of 3rd party screens if they smash. I can get an iphone screen for £12 but a Samsung is closer to £70-80.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm not an Apple fanboi but after years of mediocre-at-best Android devices


Maybe buying better devices is the answer.
You can buy exceeding good ex flagship models for low costs.

Buying new lumps of shit will never turn out good.
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Bubbs wrote:
I can get an iphone screen for £12 but a Samsung is closer to £70-80.


Supply and demand. Iphone screens are much more likely to break, so repair stores will charge more for Samsung because there are less replacement parts in the wild, the cost is higher to purchase.

I am not making this up, go ask any repair shop what screens they repair all day long. I did and they said it was somewhere in the region of 20:1 Apple to Samsung. They then also said most people want the cheap replacements, and they repair 10x as many cheap screens to originals, so if everyone had a decent replacement, the amount of breakages would decrease drastically.

A £12 screen is garbage and will break with a decent squeeze.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bubbs wrote:
Had an S4 a while back, I loved the remote control feature on it and tried my best to convince myself that Android was better than Apple but before too long the phone slowed down, and the battery started to play up. I found it would tell me the memory was full when it wasn't, and performance dropped very quickly.

I went back to an iPhone, which just worked. However the only problem with iPhones is their battery. They rarely last a day.

I'm considering jumping ship to a One Plus to see what it's like these days.

The other major problem with Android phones, or Samsung to be specififc, is the cost of 3rd party screens if they smash. I can get an iphone screen for £12 but a Samsung is closer to £70-80.


Use a toughened glass screen protector.

The Android software experience seems to be due to the large number of models and carrier variants. Updates should be centralised for Android itself, and then carrier features support could be a separate OTA download. Plus add a requirement that software updates be available for say 6 years. The S3 and S4 slowed down in some apps but the S5 is still quite a fast phone (not that I'm recommending an S5).
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
chrisw wrote:
I'm not an Apple fanboi but after years of mediocre-at-best Android devices


Maybe buying better devices is the answer.
You can buy exceeding good ex flagship models for low costs.

Buying new lumps of shit will never turn out good.


Let's play this out against my experience then. Remember, I was an ardent Android fan for a long time.

I buy a phone for £20-a-month (+/- a £5, has been my ball-park limit for years).

If I buy Android I'm always going to get a phone that'll need chucking away every 12-24 months because the manufacturer has abandoned it so no chance of the niggling problems being sorted out.

If I buy an iPhone for the same amount it'll still work and be supported by the manufacturer 3 years down the line.

And Apple are the bad guys?

I assume your response to this will be that I can install some other OS version on the Android device myself? No chance, it's a phone, it's the least interesting piece of technology I own, I'm not spending my own time on it when there is an alternative.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
chrisw wrote:

Let's play this out against my experience then. Remember, I was an ardent Android fan for a long time.

I buy a phone for £20-a-month (+/- a £5, has been my ball-park limit for years).

If I buy Android I'm always going to get a phone that'll need chucking away every 12-24 months because the manufacturer has abandoned it so no chance of the niggling problems being sorted out.

If I buy an iPhone for the same amount it'll still work and be supported by the manufacturer 3 years down the line.

And Apple are the bad guys?

I assume your response to this will be that I can install some other OS version on the Android device myself? No chance, it's a phone, it's the least interesting piece of technology I own, I'm not spending my own time on it when there is an alternative.


Instead you can spend your own time offloading high res images and videos all the time Laughing

Meanwhile on Android extra space can be added using a microSD for the following prices:
64GB = £12
128GB = £24
200GB = £46
256GB = £80
400GB = £100
Wink
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 12 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
chrisw wrote:
I'm not an Apple fanboi but after years of mediocre-at-best Android devices


Maybe buying better devices is the answer.
You can buy exceeding good ex flagship models for low costs.

Buying new lumps of shit will never turn out good.

Just not an S6 Wink

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
The Android software experience seems to be due to the large number of models and carrier variants. Updates should be centralised for Android itself, and then carrier features support could be a separate OTA download. Plus add a requirement that software updates be available for say 6 years. The S3 and S4 slowed down in some apps but the S5 is still quite a fast phone (not that I'm recommending an S5).

My OnePlus 2 came out in 2015, just under 3 years later no more (official) updates Crying or Very sad My iPhone 5 was supported for nearly 6 years.

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Instead you can spend your own time offloading high res images and videos all the time Laughing

Meanwhile on Android extra space can be added using a microSD for the following prices:
64GB = £12
128GB = £24
200GB = £46
256GB = £80
400GB = £100
Wink

Assuming it has a memory card slot Wink
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