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Posted: 18:27 - 07 Nov 2018 Post subject: Short Term Future Classics |
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Morbid thoughts time as a friend has just died.......
I've been trying to think of something a bit different to leave for my grandson for when I myself depart this shitty old world.
He's 4 years old and machinery mad so i was thinking of buying a modern bike and laying it up properly in a drybag and a container for him when he turns 17 or when I snuff it, and it will really really piss off his non motorcycling mother.
Just in case he turns into a non biking pooftah it might as well be something that will get him a few quid if he decides to sell it.
I was thinking of a Triumph Rocket 3, relatively rare and like it or loath it, one hell of a piece of motorcycle hardware.
What else is there that people would recommend. Max budget about 10 thousand and something that will be desirable in 15 or so years time? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Honda Grom, just look at what's happened to fizzies.
BMW S1000R? Pretty much broke the mould and gave the green light to everyone else to start with traction control etc.
Tuono V4? Undenialbly batshit mental.
Push your budget a bit and you've got a kawadsaki H2. Forced induction always seems to be a popular ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 19:07 - 07 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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If think he'd prefer the cash rather than a f**ked old bike he'll have to pay someone to get going again. |
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Posted: 19:21 - 07 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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Not only that, but by the time he's ready to ride, don't forget, will have to be at least 21 to ride a Rockett, by which time, spares will be hard to come by, and the ice will be well on it's way out..
Why not, an piece of electric motorcycling history, and get a Zero or 1 of the other marques being realesed in the short term. Granted the battery will be buggered, but, replacements should be relatively easy to come by/made up.. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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I was bequeathed my Grandad's camera.. it aint worth anything, but I do use it.. so how much its not worth, really isn't at issue... it was my Grandads.
I actually also have my Gt Uncle's camera. Grandads's is a 35mm Kodak Retinette, Uncle Johns is a 120 Medium-Format Ziess Ikonta, and at every f-f-f-family get to gether I recall for twenty odd years, the two of them would be arguing over why thier chosen camera was 'better'. Uncle John had been a spotter during WWI and taught to take and develop photo's by the army, and he argued that the enormouse 6x9cm negative and wonderful Ziess optics gave fantastic resolution, and although he could only get I think Eight photo's per roll of film... and that film was 'expensive', he could bring it home, develop it in the kitchen and make contact prints, without an enlarger to go in the album, he could even do it in thier caravan when they went on holiday. Grandad's argument was always "Yes, but COLOUR!" siting that shooting slide-film, he only paid to get it developed and every-one could look at the pictures blown up to the size of a projector screen... which we never did, despite his attempts when all the Christmas goodies had been devoured and novelties had lost thier interest, and he disapeared into the dining room to set up the projector... that perenially had a blown bulb, no shop open between Christmas and new-year sold!!!!
Oh the bisto......
SO! Your bequest aught to have some 'personal' connection and or sentimental value... if it does, what it worth matters little... its the memories that matter.
A bike YOU never ride, wont have any.....
If it turns out to be worth a fortune when he inherits it.... it will be sold... as a financial investment, you would be better off buying bonds or shares in his name every year, that the tax man cant lump in the inheritance taxes and other family members cant argue over.
If it turns out NOT to be worth anything but scrap value... 'cos the oil's run out, or governments Banned bikes, or new test rules say you have to do a double flip back table top in a pink tutu or whatever, its niether the investment you hoped, nor the sentimental memory it could have been, its just a folly.
Most valuable thing you can give the kid?
Time.
You want to piss of motorcycle loathing mother? Take the kid to bike races; to school-boy scrambles; stunt shows, rallies; give him things that will inspire him, invest in his future with things that no-one can take away, here and now, while he can enjoy YOU to go with them.
And knowledge is eternal.... material goods fleeting. Give him your time, and instead of putting stuff in the bank or shed, put it in his head... ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Posted: 23:56 - 07 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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Why not go the whole hog and get something that's going up in value exponentially now, then add enough spares to keep it going, that won't be available in 20 years and will piss off everyone.
I'm thinking a really nice 350LC for around £5K, then the same again in spare parts
Sounds slightly facetious, but as I've just discovered with my 17 year old scooter, it's the parts situation that will be the ruination of many an old bike and, assuming the grandson just wants to cash in, that could be the way to a small fortune, maybe more so than the actual bike. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Posted: 00:34 - 08 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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Thanks for all your input.
To answer a few points, I do loads with him. We are the Tomy Thomas the tank engine master track builders and he comes on my boats with me with his pirate suit and cutlass.
I want him to have something a bit different to remember me by. All my grandkids will get a legacy but he's a little bit special and, I hate to say it, but my favourite. He's the only one who gets excited when he's going to visit Grampy.
So maybe a bike, maybe something else but I have no idea what.
ATM I quite like the idea from Shaft of something like an LC and bits but will 2 smokes be allowed at all by then? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Posted: 00:47 - 08 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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Polarbear wrote: |
ATM I quite like the idea from Shaft of something like an LC and bits but will 2 smokes be allowed at all by then? |
As linux said, will ICE's of any sort be acceptable then?
My guess is they will be, it's going to take at least that many years to introduce enough of an infrastructure to make electric vehicles a reality for the majority of users, but, even if the LC isn't really usable, it's about legacy.
Who doesn't like to see a mint condition steam traction engine, or the spectacle of the London - Brighton run?
Those machines will never be totally outlawed; you might not be able to use them every day, but you wanted something different..............
Edit My Dad learnt to drive relatively late in life and he picked me up from my birth in his first car, a pre war Morris 8; I wish he'd wrapped in cotton wool and included a few spares that were easy to come by 53 years ago - no bloody good to me as a daily driver, but what a thing to drive around on high days and holidays - instead he took a five pound profit and sold it for a tenner, to some bloke who stopped him in the street. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Shaft wrote: |
As linux said, will ICE's of any sort be acceptable then?
My guess is they will be, it's going to take at least that many years to introduce enough of an infrastructure to make electric vehicles .
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Don't forget, the sale of new petrol & diesel vehicles will be banned from 2040, over here, as it stands already, and they're aiming to bring that banned date down to 2032.. In France & Germany, that date is set for 2030..
Simple economics means, that before then, manufacturers will have moved over to almost entirely to producing electric vehicles, with some token marques continuing until the end..
As the scales tip in the balance of electric vehicles, it's the petrol/diesel infrastructure that will decline to the stage where it will become impractical for everyday usage.. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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linuxyeti wrote: |
Don't forget, the sale of new petrol & diesel vehicles will be banned from 2040, over here, as it stands already, and they're aiming to bring that banned date down to 2032.. In France & Germany, that date is set for 2030..
Simple economics means, that before then, manufacturers will have moved over to almost entirely to producing electric vehicles, with some token marques continuing until the end..
As the scales tip in the balance of electric vehicles, it's the petrol/diesel infrastructure that will decline to the stage where it will become impractical for everyday usage.. |
I understood it as, the sale on any "conventional" ICE vehicle will be banned, Hybrids will still be allowed, and technically a car with Start/Stop technology is a hybrid (albeit, a very mild hybrid)
Quote: | The UK has pledged that half of all new car sales will be hybrid or electric by 2030 as part of its “Road to Zero” plan to reduce vehicle emissions, published on Monday.
The new policy outlines for the first time how the UK plans to reach its goal of ending the sales of “conventional” petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2040, but it stops short of a complete ban on petrol and diesel vehicles.
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linuxyeti wrote: | I really wouldn't count on a traditional fueled vehicle as a long term investment |
I would've thought that when ICEs are finally completely redundant, that's when examples of the better ones will really soar in value, as collector's pieces, even though no longer allowed on the roads? But 2030/2040 is a while away, and it might take some time after that to really see the value increase - maybe another generation or two? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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And the 1st person to work out how a 3 car family living on a row of terraced houses (without designated parking spaces) will all charge their car overnight will be a multimillionaire
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Multi-level parking, i.e. people have their own mini multi-storey car parks. Or houses built with underground parking, as per much of Europe. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Buying 39 of the same model is certainly weird behaviour in my book. You'd have thought he'd make it 40, a nice round number ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 170 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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