Al Beeb subliminal comedy?

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Diggs]

You have hit the nail on the head with the pastoral, subsistence existence. That is where we are headed anyhow albeit post-industrial feudalism. The Greens simply want damage limitation before we get there.

I've given my thoughts on this before, so won't bore people again.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

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[M.C]

[Diggs]

I read that. Back to the status-quo. I haven't read anything that says criminals, paedos, terrorists and people not wanting to work and pay taxes however. I assume Mpg has or he wouldn't have described that as their policy.

The Greens will never get into Government, so no worries about a shock.

I don't agree with everything the Greens say but I would like them to get a bloc vote in Parliament, particularly if we do leave the EU. Without somebody looking beyond the next election we are doomed, doomed I say.....
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[M.C]

Don't forget UKIP won 3.8m votes to the Greens 1.1m in 2015

[Diggs]

They did, and if small parties take votes off the big 3 again sadly it will be UKIP or Farage's new party that gets support rather than the Greens. Reactionary political ideas are easier to sell because they involve 'goodies and baddies', whereas green political ideas involve giving up things we enjoy.
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Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting...

[panrider_uk]

[Riejufixing]

[Diggs]

A fair point but ignoring the bigger picture methinks.
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[M.C]

[Riejufixing]

[Diggs]

Sorry, that comment was meant in response to the post before yours.

I understand the argument about changing things from within. Why I am sceptical is that where whips are involved, anybody with 'green' ideas is likely to be told which way to vote when it comes to the big issues.

Re. no petrol/diesel engined cars by 2040, forward-thinking Local Authorities are already planning for this, which is positive. I agree that we need to use less energy and retain heat in buildings. The EPC system will probably be linked to rates in the near future which will encourage more insulation. Rental properties already have to meet a higher standard in terms of insulation than properties marketed for sale. Nuclear energy is a tricky one, and I agree that we need to keep on using it until we reduce our consumption of electricity considerably.

The only certainty is that our habits will change. We can either plan for it (i.e. listen to people like the Greens) or have it forced upon us, which is what will happen if we continue the way we are going...
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Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting...

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[M.C]

[Diggs]

It will be a gradual shift to not using petrol/diesel engine vehicles as the norm. We won't import bulk goods any more, nor will we transport them within the UK as cheaply as we do now. We will see a shift towards local supply and the rise of the market town once again. This may sound medieval but horses and carts, bicycles and even our waterways network will see a resurgence.

People will need to grow food again to survive because cheap processed food will no longer be economic to transport and will not be available.

I have argued this in the past to the derision of fellow BCF members, so I won't again.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

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[M.C]

[Diggs]

Kawasaki Jimbo - I understand that. Its why we need to be moving towards an economy that doesn't rely upon the internal combustion engine. Like I said before, I don't agree with everything the Greens argue for.

In my view we will end up with a dramatic reduction in the population regardless because our established social and economic models will fail soon. The Greens dress it up as manageable which is something I disagree with. The other parties ignore it, which I disagree with more - hence my wanting more Green MPs.

Mdma - I admire your faith in 'the system' on this issue. Isn't it the same 'system' you have spent the last 2.5 years deriding?
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[Diggs]

MC - our roads won't be gridlocked because over the next 20 years we won't be buying cars for personal use like we do now and commercial transport will price itself out of existence. 'Electric' won't be taking over because somebody has to make and supply the vehicles and maintain the grid.

Our roads will decay in time because the Government won't have the revenue to mend them. This is happening now.
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[M.C]

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[Diggs]

Bnp - try the Energy Efficiency Directive for example. The less efficiently we produce, transport and use energy, the quicker the planet will heat up and the more fossil fuel we will use, leading to us running out of economic sources faster....

M.C. - somebody needs to make the hybrid vehicles, which means that raw materials and components need to be transported, and energy needs to be used in manufacture. As transportation and energy costs rise, the cost of said vehicles rises also. It will reach a point when ordinary people cannot afford a vehicle for domestic purposes.
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Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting...

[M.C]

Won't car sharing/Uber type deals just increase in popularity then? You may be right but I don't see central London in 20 years time being full of...

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