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Posted: 15:37 - 11 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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Where is the leak from? When does it happen?
The phrase "fill it up" suggests this is an issue you encountered after brimming the tank?
It is quite common on many motorbikes that if you brim the tank with the bike upright then put it on the sidestand, you will get a significant amount of fuel overspill. This is because the fuel level will now be higher than the filler neck due to the lean angle (imagine filling a glass to the brim then tipping it 20 degrees to one side, what would happen?). They can't make a petrol tank totally sealed, fumes have to vent out if the temperature increases and air has to get back in to replace the fuel that run out in use.
On most bikes, overfilled fuel pours out onto the ground through an overflow hose but if that hose had become detached, it would go all over the engine.
The reason I mention this is if someone routinely made motorcycles that just pour fuel everywhere, they wouldn't last long as a company.
So, I'd suggest there is either a problem with your specific motorcycle or a problem with the way you are using it. It is almost certainly something extremely simple such as overfilling or a detached/loose hose.
I'd be interested to hear what the dealer said about the problem. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 15:57 - 11 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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On the other thread you're venting on you said this:
Quote: | You can't fill the tank because of the leak. They have an overflow pipe that kicks in when the tank gets to about two thirds.. I'm told bikes typically have an overflow pipe which normally might displace petrol ( nowhere near the hot engine for obvious reasons) , but also only release a thimble size volume of petrol. Mutt's will create a pool of petrol at you feat if you try to fill the tank. |
I've just had a look at pictures of the Mutts and they have a weird offset filler cap. It's a styling cue from older harleys which had a 2-part fuel tank with a filler for each side.
So it may be that you have the opposite problem to the one I decribed above. It looks like it would be potentially possible to brim the tank on the sidestand then have the fuel level above the neck when the bike is moved upright. If that were to happen, the fuel could leak out of the cap breather, run over the tank and soak into your lap. So I'd imagine they have fitted an overflow pipe to prevent you filling it to the point where this would happen.
I put a red line on the picture below. This is the de facto maximum level of fuel you can put in this tank, even though it may look like it is possible to put more in when the bike is leaning over on its sidestand.
That's just physics, if you try to fill a tank higher than the filler neck, the fuel will just spill out anyway.
It's the price you pay for hipster styling, if the filler cap was in the centre of the tank, it wouldn't be possible to overfill it with the bike on the sidestand and they wouldn't have had to fit an overflow in the tank so far down.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=101759 ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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You do know that it is possible to extinguish a lit cigarette in a jar of petrol dont you?
Actually did it as a demonstration for one of my lads on the patio when I mixed up some 2T for the strimmmer, and they were going on and on about thier 'mates' in Dukes of Hazard fire-ball fantacies....
As has been said, you buy hipster style chinky-bike, then complain that YOU spill petrol when you over-fill the tank.
That's a bit like moaning that a kitchen knife is dangerous cos you cut yourself chopping onions!
User-Error is NOT a manufacturing or design defect!!!!
When you buy a bike compromised for style over practicality, THIS is the sort of thing you have to expect to live with and accomodate... like any over chromes harleyesque cruiser, not having the acceleration of a plastic fantastic sports bike, or a table-top-landing suspended dirt bike with shy high CofG and knobly tyres having the precission handling in the twisties on tarmac!
Then, when you buy a budget option chinese made machine, with sticker price placed above practicality in the priorities... WHAT THE FRIGG do you expect!!
Its a motorbike Fer-Fugg-Sake, NOT an Audi! The auto 'off' on the petrol pump is NOT designed to work on what's basically a garden petrol can on the bike, and does not have a five inch filler pipe in which the vacuum can suck air to be sure that the tanks not flooding over the cap!
Go learn to fill a lawn-mower can, without spilling...
THEN.. when you have mastered that.. MAYBE you can try tackling a motorbike fill-up.
In the mean time; you have been told that this is NOT a major product recall scandal by folk, who between us have effing centuries of biking experience, and more than a few, as much experience of motorcycle mechanics, and a few of us, quite a lot of experience and qualification in the field of design and manufacture...
Your poublished outrage at the brand, and the dealer, your nafariouse and unqualified remarks about 'The Fault' are just that, and right here, right now... IF there is an argument in law, my money would go on the dealer and manufacturer in a lible suit against YOU.
IF you have REAL issue with the machine... get a QUALIFIED engineer to do a report on 'The Fault'... take that to trading standards... and persue the matter through the propper channels... NOT here, where your ire and slander has been called out for what it seems to be... just that, ire and slander. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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I do agree with the OP in that it shouldn't really be overflowing onto the engine itself. Probably a 30 second job to reach up under the tank and reconnect the overflow pipe. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 165 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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