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PostPosted: 16:36 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Jawa/Mahindra 300 (250/353) Reply with quote

Mahindra (in cooperation with Jawa) decided to recreate some of the classic Jawa models, the first one being the 50's 250/353, using quite modern four stroke engine. This motorcycle is powered by a 295 ccm single cylinder four stroke engine, liquid cooled, producing 20kW and 28 Nm, DOHC head with fuel injection and 6 speed gearbox. The whole motorcycle should weigh 170 Kg (wet). There's also a second model called ''42'' which is exactly the same except some budget cuts were made. The third model is yet to be seen and it should be the legendary 40's Jawa 250/350.

Now, we do not know if these will ever reach the old continent. So far we only know the Indian price list, 155 000 rupees for the ''42'', 164 000 rupees for the ''250/353'' and the ''250/350'' should be 189 000 rupees. Which is very close to what Royal Enfield Bullet 500 motorcycles go for.

Use google for more info in English.

https://www.motorkari.cz/upload/images/clanky/2018-11/40464/jawa_300_0005.jpg

https://www.motorkari.cz/upload/images/clanky/2018-11/40464/jawa_300_0016.jpg

https://www.motorkari.cz/upload/images/clanky/2018-11/40464/jawa_300_0015.jpg

https://www.motorkari.cz/upload/images/clanky/2018-11/40464/jawa_300_0012.jpg

''42''
https://www.motorkari.cz/upload/images/clanky/2018-11/40464/jawa_forty_two_0012.jpg

https://www.motorkari.cz/upload/images/clanky/2018-11/40464/jawa_forty_two_0010.jpg

Source (info and pictures; not in English): https://www.motorkari.cz/clanky/moto-novinky/jawa/nova-indicka-jawa-se-predstavuje.-vypada-opravdu-jako-kejvacka-40464.html?kid=46014
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are quite handsome, particularly in good old JAWA red Thumbs Up
An old smoky CZ/JAWA was fairly easy to work on, I doubt these new ones will be as easy to work on and fix.

I can’t even find an old CZ/JAWA at a reasonable price.
Like you, I don’t think we will be seeing those in Europe at a reasonable price after duties/levies/import taxes, etc.
And just like all the other non mainstream makes of bike in this country/Blighty, what would product support be like if someone bought one?

Chinese engine or Indian engine?, made in Europe and assembled in India?, all made in India? What?
The Chinese producers have not been very good at product support imho and in Blighty the motorcycling public have snubbed Chinese bikes with a venom.
Will an Indian brand/make/Jawa fair any better?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF we take into consideration that Jawa is still based in CZE and they are still active (*cough money laundering scheme *cough, *cough), I'd say the support could be alright, but I am very sceptical.

On a different note, all the consumables on modern Jawas (and the old bikes as well) are generic and even the new machines are fairly simple in design. By the way CZ still makes motorcycle chains, they even use the old boxes. I recently replaced the chain on the MZ. And if biking doesn't do it for you anymore, CZ also makes quite a lot of affordable firearms. Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Chinese engine or Indian engine?, made in Europe and assembled in India?, all made in India? What?
The Chinese producers have not been very good at product support imho and in Blighty the motorcycling public have snubbed Chinese bikes with a venom.
Will an Indian brand/make/Jawa fair any better?


Quick google search suggests it's Italian design, made by Mahindra. I also found out, that Mahindra bought BSA rights as well.

They also say Italians designed the engine to sound like a classic two stroke. Silly spaghetti people. Razz
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
if biking doesn't do it for you anymore, CZ also makes quite a lot of affordable firearms. Thinking


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PostPosted: 17:23 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Jawa with an ABS ring Crying or Very sad

Pretty enough but just a retro bike with the Jawa name and a generic 4 stroke engine.

That's not particularly a criticism for what it is, but the market for that bike is one foot in the grave already.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I don't know. They look nice, and, Jawa, were always a niche brand over here anyhow.. I think a sustainable market is there.. However, if the RE 650's take off, as they appear to be getting good reviews, RE could muscle these, and, perhaps some of the other retro >125's out of the way..

I'm already seriously contemplating 1 of the 650's .. Bang goes the idea of my next 'big ish' bike being electric !! lol
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear, the new 350 for the EU market also has ABS, it's just one of those things that won't go away.

Linuxyeti, EURO spec motorcycles from Jawa (none are really Czech made)
https://www.jawa.eu/jawa-350-style--2
https://www.jawa.eu/jawa-660-sportard--2
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The exhaust manifold is odd. Amazingly good job of making a liquid cooled single look like an air cooled twin.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Want to like, but the finned lump behind the cylinder offends me, and the casquette on the red one makes the bike look over tall.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess EU4 emissions regs will apply if it was ever to get to our sunny shores?
Will that stifle it?
If and it’s a big if someone was to buy one here, would they have to meddle with it to get it to go properly, ie will it be stifled to get through EU4 regs?

After all who wants a strangled bike from new.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth having for the backward clock alone Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Polarbear, the new 350 for the EU market also has ABS, it's just one of those things that won't go away.

Linuxyeti, EURO spec motorcycles from Jawa (none are really Czech made)
https://www.jawa.eu/jawa-350-style--2
https://www.jawa.eu/jawa-660-sportard--2


The 350 is a lovely retro job and a 2 cylinder 2 stroke Wub Would give that house room. Thumbs Up

The 660 is Sick

Edited to ask, can you buy that 2 stroke 350 in Czechoslovakia? You know, a 'round the back guv, and I'll wheel it out where no one can see'. Laughing
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Of course you may buy one. The 350/640 (the red one and military) costs 73.700 CZK and the 350/634 is 78.900 CZK. You may get these for half and even lower used. Both are the same as they ever were. Early 1970's refresh of 1960's technology. The original 634 was launched in 1973 and after several refreshes of the original design they launched the 640 in 1995. Some say the engine desing is from the late 40's, but I don't know about that.

You may also register it in the EU as a brand new machine. Or at least you could, I'm not certain about nowadays. Jawa had this scheme where they had pre-registered frames and VINs, so you were not buying a brand new motorcycle, you were buying a custom made motorcycle, or something like that. Either way, you could and maybe still can register a two stroke, mind you not the cleanest two stroke around, in the EU as a brand new machine.

You may also buy one as a kit and assemble it yourself.

EDIT: They also made an attempt to build a EURO 3 compliant 350/640. I wonder happened there.

This thing:
https://img.ihned.cz/attachment.php/100/57301100/Ut3uAacCBRN8wM6SJPdlF9eE0hpDOg1L/229-04f-jawa.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those down pipes Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest invention in catalytic converter technology. Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Early 1970's refresh of 1960's technology. The original 634 was launched in 1973 and after several refreshes of the original design they launched the 640 in 1995. Some say the engine desing is from the late 40's, but I don't know about that.


Compare them to a villiers 250 twin. A lot of similarities. I do wonder if there is a "missing link" twin equivalent of the DKW RT125. Because the IZH twins also seem to be out of the same box.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 16 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

This'll sit nicely next to the Enf Smile

https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/images/JAWA_MIL006.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 16 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:


Not on those stupid tyres it won't. It won't sit anywhere nicely, it'll fall over. Note how both wheels are on the ground with it on the mainstand.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jawa motorcycles are powered byMahindra Mojo engine. Mahindra Mojo was launched in 2015 ( India ) but it failed to capture the market.

Another big news is about RE 650. They just launched new Interceptor 650 in the Indian market just a few days after JAWA launched two new bikes. :D
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
It's worth having for the backward clock alone Thumbs Up


What, the photoshopped one?
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
It's worth having for the backward clock alone Thumbs Up


What, the photoshopped one?


Is it, the cream one on the red bike I was looking at rather than the black and white one.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 20 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, the "backwards" clock is effectively a nod to the old British smiths chronometrics, they are used to those in India on the Enfields.

It's not a proper jawa unless it has a mechanical rev counter with a green "economic" sector marked on the face.
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