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PostPosted: 11:06 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Poverty in the UK Reply with quote

This is a pretty damning report from the UN.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

Perhaps we ought to be receiving aid from India/Nigeria etc. rather than giving it to them. Rolling Eyes

You can see where Corbyn is going to get his votes from with the promises he is making.

TBH I'm seriously considering whether to vote for Labour next time as the Tories have done nothing that helps me or my kids in life.

It's just that means voting the Black Pig in to a position of power. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:09 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go away Diggs, I'm having my breakfast and I'd rather keep it down thank you.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very damning report indeed.

I don't know how much longer people will be able to ignore or hide from the fact that the Tories really are the nasty party.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
This is the personal politically motivated opinion of one lefty, lapped up by Al Beeb and broadcast to the masses as an anti Tory message.

Looks like it worked.

If you calculate poverty as living at 55% or below of median wage, there will always be the people in poverty going by that definition, unless the entire country all earn within a certain amount of each other. Outside of Communism, this will not be the case.

We live in an age of virtue signalling, where everyone must invent new victims to campaign for on a weekly basis.

Period Poverty is the most ridiculous of late. Tampons are five fucking pence each. I really don't believe that a large section of society are missing school because they cant find 5 pence for a tampon. But, hey it's been used by companies as a faux sympathy marketing campaign.


A completely off-topic rant about nothing. Well done.

The report was written by the the UN envoy for poverty and human rights. I suspect his portfolio mostly concerns broken or corrupt third world nations. You know, the kind of places where poverty and human rights are usually in a questionable state.

The fact that he was sent to the UK speaks volumes.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
A very damning report indeed.

I don't know how much longer people will be able to ignore or hide from the fact that the Tories really are the nasty party.


"Eurostat figures show that the numbers of Britons at risk of poverty fell to 15.9% in 2014, down from 17.1% in 2010 and 19% in 2005"

Remind me which government was in power in 2005?
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having been party to several written "Individual Voluntary Agreement" proposals. I must say I am amazed and apalled at how many people on low incomes prioritise their spending.

For example, I have yet to see one that did not include some form of premium TV entertainment package. Usually also includes an eyewatering monthly mobile and data contract that's more than I'd spend in a year. They stand there in a desingner tracksuit and trainers, chewing gum and telling you they don't got no money with a mobile phone in their hand that cost more than the 6 month overdue bill they're arguing about.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I don't know how much longer people will be able to ignore or hide from the fact that the Tories really are the nasty party.

I worked that out when I was 3/4 years old and saw how poor everyone was, others are still struggling it seems.

It was interesting that they went to Jaywick, they normally aren't interested in white peasants. I don't agree with the benefits statement, I think the two child limit is a sensible policy, and as women normally end up with the kids in separations, they get the housing/benefits etc..
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lord Percy wrote:
I don't know how much longer people will be able to ignore or hide from the fact that the Tories really are the nasty party.

I worked that out when I was 3/4 years old and saw how poor everyone was, others are still struggling it seems.

It was interesting that they went to Jaywick, they normally aren't interested in white peasants. I don't agree with the benefits statement, I think the two child limit is a sensible policy, and as women normally end up with the kids in separations, they get the housing/benefits etc..


There have always been poorer people whatever the government of the day.

Even if we started again with everyone being given an equal share of everything some would spend, some save, some work hard some laze around and we'd get back to the same situation.

It's just life.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The metropolitan elites in the remain areas Oxford, Cambridge, London triangle have most of the money, and also claim to be caring leftists socialists, so why not slap a tax on them to give to the poor? Afterall, they say they care, they remind us on Twitter all the time.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
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I worked that out when I was 3/4 years old and saw how poor everyone was, others are still struggling it seems.


It's all relative though surely? There will always be some people with less money than others. At what point does it become a problem?

I really don't believe that people in this country, with our benefits system, don't have the means to avoid living a life without food or shelter if they don't want to.

Describe "poor". Are "poor" people really poor if they can still afford life's luxuries like smartphones and Sky TV, yet claim to be unable to afford food or 5p tampons?

I really don't understand this growing fashion of Liberal left victim creation. Try telling someone in remote Africa that you're poor, standing there in your designer sportswear, with a smartphone in your pocket, a free house and money thrown at you for sitting on your arse all day.

Try telling someone in Africa that you can earn £1200 p/m and still not be able to rent a one bedroom flat in the nations capital, I doubt they'll believe you.

I agree it's relative, despite the rise of food banks we aren't starving, we aren't saying hmm what's for dinner... rice again. It's more a complete lack of prospects, smartphones are all well and good but when you have no realistic prospects of being a homeowner, or even having somewhere secure (in terms of tenancy) to live, it's hard to feel positive about your future. Most young(er) people I speak to feel this way.

You might say that has nothing to do with poverty but it does, people are struggling because they have to find £600-700-800 p/m to pay a private landlord, try going to bank and telling them you'd like a mortgage with those sorts of repayments, they'll laugh you out the building.

panrider_uk wrote:
There have always been poorer people whatever the government of the day.

Even if we started again with everyone being given an equal share of everything some would spend, some save, some work hard some laze around and we'd get back to the same situation.

It's just life.

I have vivid memories of what it was like at the tale-end of Thatcher, early Major years. You talk to older people and they say there were no prospects, until Labour came along and they had jobs etc.. The divide seems to be when you speak to wealthier people about the same period, they loved it.

When Cameron was elected I knew immediately things were going to get worse, and they did. At work people feel the same way, for ordinary people it's always worse under the Tories. It's nothing to do with handouts or whatever BS the dailymail puts out, it's about spending and investment (rather than cutting everything), and seeing the benefits.

Its been a decade since the financial crisis and it still feels like we're in a f'ing recession, that's the Tories for you.

P.S. I don't think Corbyn is the answer either Smile
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
The metropolitan elites in the remain areas Oxford, Cambridge, London triangle have most of the money, and also claim to be caring leftists socialists, so why not slap a tax on them to give to the poor? Afterall, they say they care, they remind us on Twitter all the time.


Metropolitan "elite" work hard for their money and are already paying the highest tax brackets.

How about we have actual property tax eh? UK is the only country in EU that doesn't have property tax. INB4 council tax is NOT a property tax.

Property tax must be paid by the owners on all properties/land based on size and value. BTW that doesn't mean higher taxes. For the average Joe £300 000 house that may means lower tax too.

0.2% tax means Joe will pay £600 tax a year about half of what he pays now, if you have £5m mansion you will pay £10000 a year.
Or say land for £10m cough up £20 000 please.
Poverty problem solved.

FYI in Land registry most of the land is even not regsitered in 21c. 35% of the land is not even there.

Property tax can reduce poverty by lowering house prices, it will destroy current properties monopoly and make financially unattractive for russian oligarchs, south american drug lords, middle east dictators and chinese communists to invest in property in the UK.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thatcher was an incredibly nasty piece of work who lived for confrontation.

Sadly the Argentinians were stupid enough to invade the Falklands with her in power and she revelled in it and the victory kept her in 10 Downing street. Without it she would have been out after 1 term.

Then there was the miners strike, then the poll tax.

All for the rich elite.

If you actually look back on her 'reign' (yes, she also used the royal 'We') she did jack shit except destroy.

When she got a state funeral I was disgusted.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tories always have to make the hard decisions to pull the country out of the mire that Labour's spend, spend spend policies always leave it in.

"Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! Liam."

Short memories, some people.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
lowering house prices


And why do you think anyone would vote for that?

We've already had on massive negative equity prices collapse. Anyone with a mortgage won't want house prices to fall and our lords and masters certainly won't want that. It would be akin to them cutting their own throats.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder who told him to go to the UK and tell the nasty Tories that the UK under their rule is riddled with extreme poverty? I wonder what agenda they might have?

According to his figures, a fifth of the UK is in poverty and apparently bringing in £15,000 a year is extreme poverty. Try telling that to half of Eastern Europe, let alone the rest of the planet.


An agenda? What might the UN hope to achieve from this? You're getting into real nutjob consipiracy territory there.

I find it more surprising that a proud nationalist patriot such as yourself isn't ashamed to see the UK put to shame on the world stage like this. Instead you divert the blame onto other people and other things. The classic deflection technique of people who cannot accept, rationalise or even understand anything that sounds like criticism.

Is it a defense mechanism? I just don't understand why anything that goes against your worldview is so triggering to you.

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apparently bringing in £15,000 a year is extreme poverty. Try telling that to half of Eastern Europe, let alone the rest of the planet


Can't believe this needs spelling out, but here you go: £15k to spend in the UK is very different from £15k to spend in eastern Europe.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but £15k is not poverty

Assuming that if you're poor then you should move away from the expensive south

£450/month rent = £5.4k
£100/month on fuel = £1.2k
£300/month on food = £3.6k
Total for essentials = £10k approx

That leaves £5k for clothing and your luxuries like Sky, mobile phone etc.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
When she got a state funeral I was disgusted.

I saw it as a Middle Finger to every working class person. It's funny when they had that campaign for a female statue in the grounds of Parliament, why didn't they choose to have Britain's longest serving female PM*, maybe stamping on a council house?

Oh right this happened last time:
https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38844000/jpg/_38844949_statue_pa_port.jpg
*May could beat her I guess Laughing

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The Tories always have to make the hard decisions to pull the country out of the mire that Labour's spend, spend spend policies always leave it in.

"Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! Liam."

Short memories, some people.

Yes the fact things were still shit in the first half of the 90s after more than a decade of Tory government shows Labour are to blame Rolling Eyes

It was 18 years then, so we could have another decade of wise Conservative fiscal policy, I'm looking forward to it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll certainly be better than if Corbyn gets in and hocks us to the world to fulfil his spending plans.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 17 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
The Tories always have to make the hard decisions to pull the country out of the mire that Labour's spend, spend spend policies always leave it in.

"Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! Liam."

Short memories, some people.


Why are you talking about Labour?

Ten years of Tory leadership. Nothing to do with Labour.

Oh and here's this: The Conservatives have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70 years
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