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The Queen does not own Buckingham Palace. It's not her house, it's ours. Any money she gets for maintenance is for our building.
Who owns The Crown Estate?
The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch.
https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-gb/resources/faqs/
She no more owns that Palace than Theresa does 10 Downing Street.
sensi5446 wrote: | We can't get rid of the monarch, it will never happen, they will never let it happen so there is no point in even thinking about it.
Why should they pay for anything, this is their land and country we just pay to work here.
In a real democracy the royals wouldn't have a place but our Queen holds a lot of wealth and land. Our police forces are crown servants, our arm forces are sworn to her and we all pay HMRC every month. |
1. The UK is not a monarchy and has not been for hundreds of years. The Queen is a nominal figurehead. She cannot make or block laws. Everyone plays along with the historical idea that she can, but were she to actually try she would probably find that the courts rule her powers to be spent, or that Parliament passes a law that Royal Ascent can be given by the PM [the de facto signatory at present anyway].
2. The Police and Army serve the people, she is their nominal figurehead. In other news the Scouts also don't work for Bear Grylls.
3. HMRC doesn't even pretend to be anything to do with the Crown.
4. Queen owns some land privately. She is the figurehead for the Crown Estate which belongs to the people, not her. The country belongs to the people, not her.
5. She pays tax.
6. She is a captive slave of the people as is her successor. |
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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | to the monarch.[/i]
1. The UK is not a monarchy and has not been for hundreds of years. The Queen is a nominal figurehead. She cannot make or block laws. Everyone plays along with the historical idea that she can, but were she to actually try she would probably find that the courts rule her powers to be spent, or that Parliament passes a law that Royal Ascent can be given by the PM [the de facto signatory at present anyway].
To think the Royal family, especially the Queen doesn't have a say in the running of Her country is just blind foolish, the Queen is aware of all aspects of running Her country which is why she hold a weekly audience with the PM. Remember its Her Government as She reminds the people every year.
2. The Police and Army serve the people, she is their nominal figurehead.
The police and Army are crown servants and the Queen is above all UK laws
3. HMRC doesn't even pretend to be anything to do with the Crown.
Apart from calling themselves Her Majesty Revenue and Customs
4. Queen owns some land privately. She is the figurehead for the Crown Estate which belongs to the people, not her. The country belongs to the people, not her. OK you keep believing that
5. She pays tax. Only out of choice and She also avoids tax even though She is not required to pay tax and only started paying in 1992.
6. She is a captive slave of the people as is her successor. |
I am very aware of the UK history and the status quo of parliament and the fact that the Queen is labelled as just a figure head but its BS, the Queen is highly educated and understands how to stay in power even if google tells you She is not.
The fact is, the people can not get rid of the royal family because the people do not rule and have no access to arms. The closest we "the people" have got was in the 60s/70s with Wilson but the Mountbatten's were ready to put an end to the government with the use of the military but Wilson resign in 76 with ill health.
Its similar to the book 1984, create a upper class and take a back seat, the upper class are replaced by the middle class and so on but you still hold the power.
But you keep thinking that the Royals are just figure heads and we own everything, this is why they live in the palaces and we "the people" pay for it. |
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Put in here because it is to do with poverty.
https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/big-issue-trials-contactless-payments-for-magazine-sellers-11364315265194
The Big Issue is to introduce contactless payments
Do people still sell it? I admit since I retired I hardly ever go into city centres but the few times I have it's been beggars rather than Big Issue sellers that used to be common.
I suppose it had to happen. I know many people that don't carry cash anymore.
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The local Big Issue seller here drives a Jag x type |
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Ours has a 5 bedroom house with a swimming pool, stables and a butler.
Actually I don't know where she lives, but I doubt she makes that much money selling the BI, particularly when 99.9% of the population avoid BI sellers like they are drunk Glaswegians looking for a friend.
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Bloody hell - how did you know that! Somebody must be posting my videos on www.heresabigissueforyoulove.com again. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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TBH I don't think it is going to get better.
Governments think short term - we need immigration to support the population.
Great say businesses cheap labour because most of those jobs are service industries.
Viable tax paying jobs slowly fall as people work for less due to competition or automation takes over.
There has to be a radical rethink of our society. Maybe along the lines of a minimum wage for all adults and that's it, you're on your own?
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Polarbear wrote: | Governments think short term - we need immigration to support the population.
Great say businesses cheap labour because most of those jobs are service industries.
Viable tax paying jobs slowly fall as people work for less due to competition or automation takes over.
There has to be a radical rethink of our society. Maybe along the lines of a minimum wage for all adults and that's it, you're on your own?
And to think when I was a kid we were told robots would take over and we would all have a life of leisure and luxury. |
On immigration when did we actually have a shortage of workers? I thought it was after WW2 when we had mass immigration from the commonwealth. I can't see a reason why it went up so much under New Labour and has failed to come down, even EU migration doesn't tally up with the initial increase (Poland etc. didn't join until 2004).
I think we'll see more of what we have now, part time jobs, zero hours etc.. Minimum wage is fairly irrelevant if you can't get the hours. |
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M.C wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Governments think short term - we need immigration to support the population.
Great say businesses cheap labour because most of those jobs are service industries.
Viable tax paying jobs slowly fall as people work for less due to competition or automation takes over.
There has to be a radical rethink of our society. Maybe along the lines of a minimum wage for all adults and that's it, you're on your own?
And to think when I was a kid we were told robots would take over and we would all have a life of leisure and luxury. |
On immigration when did we actually have a shortage of workers? I thought it was after WW2 when we had mass immigration from the commonwealth. I can't see a reason why it went up so much under New Labour and has failed to come down, even EU migration doesn't tally up with the initial increase (Poland etc. didn't join until 2004).
I think we'll see more of what we have now, part time jobs, zero hours etc.. Minimum wage is fairly irrelevant if you can't get the hours. |
A lot of immigration after the war was possibly due to politics excited by the UK dissolving the British Empire too. The politicians were involved in that too. 🤣
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M.C wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Governments think short term - we need immigration to support the population.
Great say businesses cheap labour because most of those jobs are service industries.
Viable tax paying jobs slowly fall as people work for less due to competition or automation takes over.
There has to be a radical rethink of our society. Maybe along the lines of a minimum wage for all adults and that's it, you're on your own?
And to think when I was a kid we were told robots would take over and we would all have a life of leisure and luxury. |
On immigration when did we actually have a shortage of workers? I thought it was after WW2 when we had mass immigration from the commonwealth. I can't see a reason why it went up so much under New Labour and has failed to come down, even EU migration doesn't tally up with the initial increase (Poland etc. didn't join until 2004).
I think we'll see more of what we have now, part time jobs, zero hours etc.. Minimum wage is fairly irrelevant if you can't get the hours. |
According to
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
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So poverty in 2016 was a household earning up to £22,100 a year according to the Poverty charity trying to justify their position.
So, with wage rises, these people will be earning £25,200 in the next financial year.
I love how these charities are keeping the story of "much victims", "nasty Tories", need "moar soacialism", by constantly raising the bar of what constitutes poverty to keep increasing the numbers.
It's based on median income, so even if people all earn millions, there will always be people living in "poverty" going by this method. You'd never resolve this.
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I can't see a reason why it went up so much under New Labour |
It was Blair importing voters and well publicised.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/83
Quote: | The strongest evidence for conspiracy comes from one of Labour’s own. Andrew Neather, a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, popped up with an article in the Evening Standard in October 2009 which gave the game away.
Immigration, he wrote, ‘didn’t just happen; the deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’.
He was at the heart of policy in September 2001, drafting the landmark speech by the then Immigration Minister Barbara Roche, and he reported ‘coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn’t its main purpose - to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.
That seemed, even to him, a manoeuvre too far.
The result is now plain for all to see. Even Blair’s favourite think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), commented recently: ‘It is no exaggeration to say that immigration under New Labour has changed the face of the country.’
It is not hard to see why Labour’s own apparatchiks supported the policy. Provided that the white working class didn’t cotton on, there were votes in it. |
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | So poverty in 2016 was a household earning up to £22,100 a year according to the Poverty charity trying to justify their position. |
That's not how I read it: 'The charity defines the poverty line as being when households earn less than 60% of the median income, adjusted for size and type of household. The average median income for UK households after housing costs was £425 a week (£22,100 a year) in 2016-17'.
mpd72 CPT wrote: | It was Blair importing voters and well publicised.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/83
Quote: | The strongest evidence for conspiracy comes from one of Labour’s own. Andrew Neather, a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, popped up with an article in the Evening Standard in October 2009 which gave the game away.
Immigration, he wrote, ‘didn’t just happen; the deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’.
He was at the heart of policy in September 2001, drafting the landmark speech by the then Immigration Minister Barbara Roche, and he reported ‘coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn’t its main purpose - to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.
That seemed, even to him, a manoeuvre too far.
The result is now plain for all to see. Even Blair’s favourite think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), commented recently: ‘It is no exaggeration to say that immigration under New Labour has changed the face of the country.’
It is not hard to see why Labour’s own apparatchiks supported the policy. Provided that the white working class didn’t cotton on, there were votes in it. |
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I'm aware of that guys claims but that doesn't match up with what happened either: https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics
The spike (over 100k) was in in '98, with the next spike as far as I'm aware being down to when Poland etc. joined the EU. |
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That's not how I read it: [i]'The charity defines the poverty line as being when households earn less than 60% of the median income, |
Fair enough, but if you measure it as 60% of median, there will always be people 60% of median. It's still a decent chunk of money and hardly poverty. I mean those figures are after housing, leaving £15K for everything else from £25.2K median. That's probably more or as much as I get after the mortgage. I hardly call myself poverty stricken, but then I'm not stupid with my money. I find it hard to believe that the median income is over £2k a month this coming year, after housing though.
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Lord Percy wrote: | A captive slave who is free to walk away from it whenever she wants. I wonder why she doesn't, along with all the royal counsins, uncles, aunts, princes and princesses in that terrible chauffeur-driven captive life of theirs.
Hilarious that anyone would suggest "the crown estate belongs to the people" as if that somehow nullifies the existence of a special set of Chosen Ones who are the only group with constant free access to it all. |
Well they captured her from birth and told her she's never allowed to leave. It's not as if she signed up to the job at 18. Ditto the princes. Harry preferred to get shot at in Iraq and A'stan than be in the Palace. I think most people in the army would rather be at home than getting shot at.
This is the same with most state property though isn't it, nor is it confined to just the palace. Here are a few other examples:
... downing street
... air forces bases
... nuclear weapons facilities and the nuclear submarine bases
... naval bases
... army bases
... police stations
but really I can't even go into my local council offices and start looking around.
And yes, also Buckingham Palace!
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No thanks, I don't want your sloppy seconds.
Did you do a Corbyn and shag it show off to your lefty mates? |
Seconds? You're optimistic
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I am very aware of the UK history and the status quo of parliament and the fact that the Queen is labelled as just a figure head but its BS, the Queen is highly educated and understands how to stay in power even if google tells you She is not.
The fact is, the people can not get rid of the royal family because the people do not rule and have no access to arms. The closest we "the people" have got was in the 60s/70s with Wilson but the Mountbatten's were ready to put an end to the government with the use of the military but Wilson resign in 76 with ill health.
Its similar to the book 1984, create a upper class and take a back seat, the upper class are replaced by the middle class and so on but you still hold the power.
But you keep thinking that the Royals are just figure heads and we own everything, this is why they live in the palaces and we "the people" pay for it. |
The Royals most definitely are just figureheads, a bit too much conspiracy website for you I think.
There's definitely an elite, she isn't it. She did used to be it, but that was hundreds of years ago. These days the elite are the corporations as they hold real power and real wealth.
You also seem to not understand how a revolution works. Weapons are really not a requirement, though they are a popular topic for Americans (who run the conspiracy websites). I'm all in favour of the right to bear arms btw. The key to revolution is communications and organisation, the route through which individuals can act as one. In that case all people need to do is nothing. Just don't pay any tax or go on strike and the government will be gone within a week.
As a case in point the US is awash with weapons and its probably the hardest country in which to start a revolution. It's vast so collective organisation would be impossible. Too easy to cut off comms and choke travel. The people have 9mm handguns and 5.56mm semi-auto rifles, and they're ok against unarmoured targets, but the US gov defends the White House with bulletproof APCs and thousands of crack paramilitary "bodyguards".
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A question: Do people here think that a government should be handing out benefits to working households? I'm talking things like Employment and Support Allowance.
Do people feel that wages should be higher which would mean no benefits paid out, more taxes to government?
One of the biggest problems (I know - there are lots!) is the zero hours saga. That's a scourge on the planet.
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The last post was made 5 years, 116 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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