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Fourte wrote: | A question: Do people here think that a government should be handing out benefits to working households? I'm talking things like Employment and Support Allowance.
Do people feel that wages should be higher which would mean no benefits paid out, more taxes to government?
One of the biggest problems (I know - there are lots!) is the zero hours saga. That's a scourge on the planet.
I know someone who'll be getting all shaky just reading that |
As I said above it's not all about wages, it's about hours. When people were paid tree fiddy an hour an employer might be ok with them sitting on their arse doing nothing for some of the day. At £10 an hour* they'll make bloody sure there's no waste, which normally means part-time, zero hours and 'flexible' working (as in flexible for the employee). An example would be a pal who worked part time in Argos, and was called in everytime they had a delivery.
They had a woman on the BBC last night who had 3 part time jobs and was still receiving benefits/struggling financially. That's the future I'm afraid.
*I'm not against higher wages, I just don't see it as the solution. Reliable full-time jobs are. |
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Posted: 21:05 - 04 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Fourte wrote: | A question: Do people here think that a government should be handing out benefits to working households? I'm talking things like Employment and Support Allowance.
Do people feel that wages should be higher which would mean no benefits paid out, more taxes to government?
One of the biggest problems (I know - there are lots!) is the zero hours saga. That's a scourge on the planet.
I know someone who'll be getting all shaky just reading that |
Working households getting benefits is a Labour policy and a side effect of democracy. It means that the middle classes feel they "get something" from the government, when they don't really, they are just being bribed with their own money. E.g.
Tories: £1k tax cut
Labour: £800 in tax credits
Same thing though. Note that Labour figure will always be lower due to the administrative overhead of the tax credits.
Also note that if you're on the new student loan system you'll get an additional ~10% tax, so the higher rate is now around 50% for these people! |
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What certain people here forget is that the threshold for poverty rises, and wages rise, is that living costs also rise. It's not rocket science.
When you consider single digit raises (seems to be the norm, public sector etc), utilities rise, council tax rises, rent goes up, fuel prices, food costs, etc. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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About working hours etc:
ONS official line for what classes as "in employment" is at least one hour of work per week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46264291 |
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That's ridiculous.
The criteria for employment should be whether they are a net tax contributor in my view but that's never going to happen.
I don't even understand how zero hours contracts work with reference to benefits. If it takes so long to get benefits sorted, as we are told many times on the media, how do they allow for zero hours contracts when one week someone might earn nothing? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Posted: 10:56 - 06 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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The same ONS who don't bother counting immigrants based upon them being asked if the plan to stay for under or over 6 months in a non-binding survey.
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Posted: 11:03 - 06 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Polarbear wrote: |
That's ridiculous.
The criteria for employment should be whether they are a net tax contributor in my view but that's never going to happen. |
I'll have a stab in the dark and say that at least 25% of people "employed" don't work enough hours or earn enough, to pay any net tax contributions by the time tax credits and benefits are taken into account.
Polarbear wrote: | I don't even understand how zero hours contracts work with reference to benefits. If it takes so long to get benefits sorted, as we are told many times on the media, how do they allow for zero hours contracts when one week someone might earn nothing? |
They can keep all the benefits and work up to 16 hours a week on top, without risking losing any benefits. It's all part of this universal credit thing. Unfortunately, instead of encouraging people back into work, it seems to be encouraging too many people to live a full time existence, whilst only having to work part time hours.
When this option is instantly open to the whole of the EU, many from poorer countries have cottoned onto it. A system designed to get our own back into work is basically allowing Europe to work only 16 hours a week and have the tax payer pay full benefits on top.
The government wont release figures of how many part time workers on tax credits and full benefits are EU immigrants. The best way to check is to go into any supermarket in the South East and listen to the accents of the mainly part time/job share staff. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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You could work 16 hours a week 15 years ago and get benefits, it's not a new thing.
I worked 30 hours a week and what you made on top of the basic dole money was deducted by means of rent calculations, council tax etc.
I was left with about £15 a week spare not including travel to work.
And they would only calculate it after you had been paid.
But! I must have been doing it wrong cos I had no huge tv, games console etc. That's just experience tho, no way is it to be considered factual. |
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piazza wrote: | You could work 16 hours a week 15 years ago and get benefits, it's not a new thing.
I worked 30 hours a week and what you made on top of the basic dole money was deducted by means of rent calculations, council tax etc.
I was left with about £15 a week spare not including travel to work.
And they would only calculate it after you had been paid.
But! I must have been doing it wrong cos I had no huge tv, games console etc. That's just experience tho, no way is it to be considered factual. |
Why should you on the dole? Those that do are clearly fiddling the system or working cash in hand/dealing/Ebay trading to have a second non declared income.
I take it you survived to tell the tale without starving to death or living on the streets? It's a stop gap, not a permanent way of life. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Pretty sure it's been stated numerous times that that is the way people live on the dole!
Please explain where I went wrong? and why you and everyone else that insists it's true doesn't use it to their advantage
Also tell me how much your tax would go down with no unemployed?
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piazza wrote: | Pretty sure it's been stated numerous times that that is the way people live on the dole!
Please explain where I went wrong? and why you and everyone else that insists it's true doesn't use it to their advantage |
OK, cutting the victim card, are you saying you were on the dole from school and never had a decent sized TV and Sky, or are saying you had all that before you were on benefits, so sold them to pay the bills.
Honestly.
piazza wrote: | Also tell me how much your tax would go down with no unemployed?
Too many pish talkin moral wankers in here |
We'll never know will we, because the government have no idea how many people on benefits are taking the piss? If it means being a "pish talkin moral wanker" for not approving of these freeloaders, so be it.
I pay my own way in life, I don't expect to live off others. It;s far too easy for people to not work even if they're quite capable of doing so, even if that entails working from home. No matter how bad a back is, I'll bet they can struggle to use a PC for hours on end. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | piazza wrote: | Pretty sure it's been stated numerous times that that is the way people live on the dole!
Please explain where I went wrong? and why you and everyone else that insists it's true doesn't use it to their advantage |
OK, cutting the victim card, are you saying you were on the dole from school and never had a decent sized TV and Sky, or are saying you had all that before you were on benefits, so sold them to pay the bills.
Honestly.
piazza wrote: | Also tell me how much your tax would go down with no unemployed?
Too many pish talkin moral wankers in here |
We'll never know will we, because the government have no idea how many people on benefits are taking the piss? If it means being a "pish talkin moral wanker" for not approving of these freeloaders, so be it.
I pay my own way in life, I don't expect to live off others. It;s far too easy for people to not work even if they're quite capable of doing so, even if that entails working from home. No matter how bad a back is, I'll bet they can struggle to use a PC for hours on end. |
Being unemployed doesn't make you a victim you frothing mentalist
No one is playing any card I was merely pointing out the reality from a fact based point of view rather than you continuing to spout whatever fills your agenda from the news.
Also, there was no Sky or big scren tv's. They probably spent it all on beer and glue back then, or at least I think I saw someone do that, once |
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piazza wrote: |
No one is playing any card I was merely pointing out the reality from a fact based point of view rather than you continuing to spout whatever fills your agenda from the news.
Also, there was no Sky or big scren tv's. They probably spent it all on beer and glue back then, or at least I think I saw someone do that, once |
You did come across as playing the "poor me, I couldn't afford a large screen TV or Sky when I was on the dole" card. if that was wrong, sorry.
However, back to the question.
You said you had no large screen TV or Sky when on the dole, so are you saying you were on the dole from school and never had a decent sized TV and Sky prior to that, or are saying you had all that before you were on the dole, so sold them to pay the bills? It has to be one of the two, so which one, if all this miraculously disappeared when you because a doley?
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B5234FT wrote: | Free tax threshold is £11,500 |
£11,850 since April.
Quote: | MBased on the income distribution from 2015/16 financial year, 4% of the working population earn less than this and therefore contribute no tax. |
I seriously doubt that going by the total figures for working age people.
Quote: | The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 23million people |
B5234FT wrote: | There is a huge difference between a mother who chooses to work 16 hours a week whilst the kids are at school, and someone who wants to work full time and cant find a job and is therefore trying to earn a full time wage on a contract with no guaranteed hours IMHO and both fall within that band. |
There is also a huge difference between those people and workers coming here from Europe to take full advantage of the tax credit wheeze. It's a system designed to help our own, not subsidise income for half of the poorer countries in Europe, which unfortunately is currently still open to this abuse. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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How many tax breaks do you take advantage of as a 'businessman'? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Quote: | England 'needs millions of homes to solve housing crisis' |
Or controlled immigration, which would be a lot easier and not fuck up the quality of life of the indigenous population, put less stress on public services, health and education, plus going by the ethnicity of many news stories, reduce crime.
If you're in debt and spiralling out of control, is the answer to borrow more or curb spending? Tackle the source of the problem not the end result. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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If we stopped all immigration now, we'd still having a housing shortage, how would you solve that? |
Actually making an effort to deport the millions who shouldn't even be here in the first place. Bring in ID cards, then go to every Kebab shop, Indian restaurant, Chinese restaurant and takeaways, mini-cab firm and hotel and ask to see ID. Those without ID get arrested and processed.
Wasn't the figure alone for Grenfell supposed to be around 100 illegals? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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