Compulsory access to kids

[Polarbear]

Right, let me first say I don't want this to turn into another Paki sex crime thread. It's the principle I am angry with.

According to the radio today, one of the Rotherham girls who was raped and got pregnant is being forced by Rotherham social services to allow her kid to be seen by the father, the bloke who raped her, despite the fact he is serving 35 years for child abuse.

She also said she cannot get her kid a passport or take him out of the country without the permission of the father, the rapist.

Pretty disgusting in my eyes and for Rotherham social services who failed her so badly in the past to force this on her is horrifying.

Will get a link when I find one but I heard it on the Jeremy Vine radio 2 programme just now.

Edit for links

https://news.sky.com/story/sammy-woodhouse-rotherham-rapist-arshid-hussain-told-he-could-see-victims-son-11565791

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/27/rapist-given-chance-see-victims-child-local-authority/
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[Sister Sledge]

That's just one side of the story.
Sure it's a vile thing to happen but most of this is simply procedural - a child has two parents and both, by law, have rights to the child. What's happening is he's simply named on legal documents.

There's a lot of angles to look at with this case - one being that she's unable to cope with her child. Obviously what happened in her past is haunting her and you'd expect social services to be supporting her and not heading down a particular route. Again though this could all be legal process and nothing more. I am watching closely though because it does raise some interesting stuff.


If the monster is inside then he simply cannot and will not be able to care for the child.

Edit:

Just re-read those and yes it's procedural stuff.

With the passport thing: I did just that myself! I took my ex wife to court for custody of our son many years ago and I won.
Long story short, my ex wife was showing signs of and making moves to take our son out of the UK and live in Spain. I slammed a little known law onto her secret scheme and stopped her in her tracks. It cost me nothing and was very easy to do. When it came to court reportings I was slated by the court reporting team (CAFCASS) for doing the ban on our son leaving the country but the magistrates saw my evidence and understood my reasons for doing so.
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[Diggs]

I read this article this morning and I agree with you Polarbear. He shouldn't have any legal rights towards the child nor should his consent be required for anything because he is a rapist serving a 35 year sentence so cannot exercise any corresponding responsibility. The fact that he is the biological father should be an irrelevance given the circumstances, and the poor mother and child shouldn't have to consider him in anything they do.

I don't understand the legal position, but I suspect this is an example of laws designed to protect the rights of a father who wants to be involved in his kid's life, having an unintended negative impact.
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I'm sure all paedophile rapists get the same access to the product of their crime.
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[Sister Sledge]

It's all legal procedural stuff. As it stands the father, regardless of crime, still has equal rights to that child.

What I want and everyone else wants is him to have none but until anything legal has been written up and signed as so then this is how it is.
Yes it stinks and I reckon some 'improvements' to law need to be made and hopefully they will be.

My brain is wrecked or I'd be stating situations in child custody as to why the law stands as we see it today.
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The difference is most other cultures would be too ashamed and embarrassed to even consider asking for paternal rights.

Unfortunately his culture still think he's done no wrong.
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[Pete.]

She should go in to visit him and walk down the line telling all the other inmates being visited what he did. Hopefully there wouldn't be anyone to ask permission of soon after.
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[Ste]

As it's in the news, won't the other inmates already know?

[Diggs]

They will... How how he is protected depends on the individual prison, but chances are he is on a 'nonce-wing' already rather than in the general population.

Here are some interesting facts. According to the Howard League for Penal reform, one in six male adult prisoners in this country are convicted sex-offenders. According to 'statistics', one in seven male adult prisoners in this country are Muslims, this despite the fact that in 2014 Muslims only represented 4.7% of the population of England and Wales.

What does this tell us? It tells us that our prisons are full of sex-offenders, and that adult Muslim males make up a disproportionately large percentage of our prison population.

Why is this relevant? It isn't, because I couldn't find any statistics to suggest that a disproportionate percentage of Muslim males are convicted sex-offenders, despite a higher percentage of them 'going through the system' than adult male WASPs.

Now, if one is to argue that it stands to reason to expect a higher percentage of Muslim sex-offenders in our prisons, then doesn't it also suggest that the plod are catching them and our courts are doing the job they are supposed to?

Just a thought, Mpg.
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[Ste]

Before mpd asks, what stats did you find about the demographic of those convicted sex offenders?

[Diggs]

Well, there's the rub....
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[Sister Sledge]

I listened to a clip of her earlier on LBC and she's telling an awful lot of half truths to the media. That MP who's backing her and whatever legal team is in place will be having a tricky time with all the misinformation she's saying.
One example is that she claims the father (rapist) has no parental responsibility because they were never married. When she drops bits like that into the mix it weakens any support that might be out there for her.
She needs some sort of publicity team or her wishes will be wiped out quickly by the court system.
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[Ste]

From the 6th of September last year:

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

tldr every study comes up with different answers and the data they're working from isn't complete enough to give an accurate answer.

(inb4 conspiracy theories)

[Sister Sledge]

Back in the day I put a block on my ex-wife taking our son out of the country. It was a simple (free) process and was done around 16 years ago.
I've just checked and the rules have changed slightly - seems they've placed more hurdles in the way but it can still be done.

https://www.gov.uk/stop-child-passport
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[MCN]

The courts and gaols cannot do anything to prevent this.
A cure has to be started long before it gets this far along.
There are cultures that are toxic to 'modern' civilised society.
Religion is the fundamental driving force spreading this poison.
And it starts at birth, by design.
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