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What type of Brexit do you want? |
No Deal, properly leave. |
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May's Leave in name only deal. |
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Let the EU and establishment keep us in the EU |
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6% |
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How similar do you think the Swiss and the UK law systems are, that you assume, that whatever goes in Switzerland should as well go in the UK? That is a serious question.
We do know far too well, that the Brexit referendum was not legally binding. However, the democratically elected UK gov. decided to go with it.
Was Cameron stupid to even suggest the referendum? Yes, he was, very stupid, a publicity stunt gone wrong. Did many people vote leave because of ''Steve''? Maybe. Was the referendum an expression of direct democracy? Yes, it was.
TL; DR: UK is leaving, people have spoken, the gov. has decided. Also, your Swiss article is not applicable here at all. 6 referendums to decide what the maternity leave should look like is hardly comparable with a country leaving the EU after years of integration and cooperation. Having 6 Brexit referendums would lead to incredible legal and economical uncertainty and would render UK unworthy of any major investments from abroad. Investing in such country would pure gambling. |
Serious answer - UK and Switzerland laws and constitutions are completely different. For a starter UK has unwritten constitution. I know that is oxymoron but it is what it is.
For the record I never have said I want 6 new Brexit referendums and the point of both articles is NOT to have any referendums if the setup is wrong. Both articles give the example where Swiss disregarded a referendum despite having completly different system that is centered of having many referendums.
The reason they have done that is the same reason why UK Parliament must cancel A50 and NOT have any new referendums - you can't resolve complex isssues that have multiple implications with simple binary questions.
People have spoken - no they haven't. Leave has many different options: EEA, Norway+, May's deal, Canada++, WTO. What the fuck would have to be?
The same is valid if say we have new referendum and say Remain wins with 56:44. What Remain? With Euro, new EU army or somethig else.
Means complex problems need complex solutions. You are a lawyer. You know Leave means nothing unless there are literally hundreds of laws that can support that.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | Diggs wrote: | A working class scumbag will be worse off if the economy dips (as it is widely predicted to do even by brexiteers), because tax revenue will dip also and said scumbag will experience less spend on education, police, armed forces, roads, pensions, NHS etc etc etc. This means that the cost of his fags and lager will rise to compensate. |
And if we stay in the federal republic of greater Germany, how will the future be? |
Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but I was under the impression that immigrants pay more in taxes than they take out of the system. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
And if we stay in the federal republic of greater Germany, how will the future be? |
Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but I was under the impression that immigrants pay more in taxes than they take out of the system. |
Eh? Who mentioned immigrants? Been on the sauce again?
The point is, you're all too happy to predict a future out of the EU, yet just assume life still in the EU will be rosy.
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If you've read previous posts of mine you will know that the future I predict whether in or out of the EU is far from rosy. Remember Caroline Lucas on a horse?
You mention immigrants repeatedly.
My argument all along has been that we are better off inside an organisation that plans to 'ease' change towards a non-fossil fuel economy than outside it. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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You have this bizarre idea that oil and gas companies will somehow come up with a fuel that is as efficient as oil, can be produced with minimal impact upon the environment and is suitable for mass personal transport. That fuel hasn't been discovered or created yet. The whole reason why we all have cars is because of the particular properties of oil that is extracted from beneath the ground rather than synthesised in some third world country where the population lives on imported food rather than growing its own.
Why should BP, ESSO, TOTAL etc give a fuck about you and your Mondeo? The shareholders have made their money. Multinational businesses come and go. I am not saying that fuel won't exist because it will, but it will be too expensive for the likes of you or I to be able to run a car. Hence Caroline Lucas on a horse....
Things change, life moves on. Before the internal combustion engine was invented Ms Lucas would have ridden a horse - once it is uneconomic for the masses she will have to ride another.
I feel a contradiction on your part. On the one hand you talk about the EU being run in the interests of 'fat cats' and the master-race, and you don't like it. On the other you are happy to rely upon faceless 'big business' and organisations as yet unknown to step up and keep you in the manner you are accustomed, i.e. able to drive to the shops for your Anusol.
Its pointless debating this with you, because you live in a bubble. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: | You have this bizarre idea that oil and gas companies will somehow come up with a fuel that is as efficient as oil, can be produced with minimal impact upon the environment and is suitable for mass personal transport. |
Yep.
Diggs wrote: | That fuel hasn't been discovered or created yet. |
You're sure of that are you? Crazy idea, but maybe, just maybe, oil and gas is the cheapest option so far, but as technology changes, so will costs for alternative energy sources.
There's an awful lot of hydrogen on this planet.
Diggs wrote: | Its pointless debating this with you, because you live in a bubble. |
Says the bloke who thinks we're heading for some kind of Armageddon where future transport is Caroline Lucas on horse back, buying local produce in a fantasy world of no global corporations!
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My argument all along has been that we are better off inside an organisation that plans to 'ease' change towards a non-fossil fuel economy than outside it. |
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Mpg where do we get our useable hydrogen from - fossil fuels. Where will we get it from in the future - biomass. Where will we grow all this biomass in the uk - on land that we will need for food production.
The trade-off is easy to understand. We either grow biomass to produce power and sell it, or we grow food to eat.
I'm talking about fuel for the great unwashed, not for businesses transporting low volume, high profit non-perishables. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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chickenstrip wrote: | Diggs wrote: |
My argument all along has been that we are better off inside an organisation that plans to 'ease' change towards a non-fossil fuel economy than outside it. |
Do you want any say in how they do things? Will you get to have your say? |
If we are out of the EU we have less say than if we are in. Will we get to have our say? I suggest sir, that we have more of a chance when sat around a table than waiting for scraps from the US and China. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: |
If we are out of the EU we have less say than if we are in. Will we get to have our say? I suggest sir, that we have more of a chance when sat around a table than waiting for scraps from the US and China. |
Don't you start all that "sir" bollocks too
Less say in what? Of course we will have less say in what the EU does if we are not in it.
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chickenstrip wrote: | Diggs wrote: |
If we are out of the EU we have less say than if we are in. Will we get to have our say? I suggest sir, that we have more of a chance when sat around a table than waiting for scraps from the US and China. |
Don't you start all that "sir" bollocks too
Less say in what? Of course we will have less say in what the EU does if we are not in it.
Your "suggestion" is noted |
Thank you.
No reflection upon our relationship, but this always makes me smile, sir!
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It was meant to lighten the mood, monkey-boy! ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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