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What type of Brexit do you want? |
No Deal, properly leave. |
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66% |
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May's Leave in name only deal. |
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1% |
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Let the EU and establishment keep us in the EU |
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25% |
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Other. (Specify) |
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6% |
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Posted: 14:48 - 17 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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But to do that commercially you either need a power station or algae. Both methods have ecological problems, and both have a large opportunity cost as a result.
Nope, I'm still not seeing this cheap, efficient and harmless replacement for fossil fuels.... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Rather than just suggesting water, try suggesting a method of isolating, transporting and using it on a massive, global scale if you want it to replace oil, because this is what your multi-national oil companies are struggling with right now.
If we invest in renewables in a massive way now we may be able to generate sufficient electricity to produce hydrogen as a fuel for the rich and to transport certain goods. We won't however, because people with their heads in the sand have this idea that the 'market' will prevail and that Shell, Esso etc will come like shining knights to our rescue.
What you fail to understand is that as clever as all these 'replacements' are, they all have a downside in terms of production in vast amounts. It doesn't matter which one you choose, the sheer volume of cheap energy we enjoy at the moment via oil cannot be replicated without killing the planet. This is why you won't be driving a car in the future. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Posted: 15:33 - 17 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Diggs wrote: | Rather than just suggesting water, try suggesting a method of isolating, transporting and using it on a massive, global scale if you want it to replace oil, because this is what your multi-national oil companies are struggling with right now.
If we invest in renewables in a massive way now we may be able to generate sufficient electricity to produce hydrogen as a fuel for the rich and to transport certain goods. We won't however, because people with their heads in the sand have this idea that the 'market' will prevail and that Shell, Esso etc will come like shining knights to our rescue.
What you fail to understand is that as clever as all these 'replacements' are, they all have a downside in terms of production in vast amounts. It doesn't matter which one you choose, the sheer volume of cheap energy we enjoy at the moment via oil cannot be replicated without killing the planet. This is why you won't be driving a car in the future. |
We're going round in circles.
At the moment alternatives are not economically viable. But in the future they will be. 100 years ago, we thought we were knackered when coal ran out. We still have it in abundance, but it's not environmentally or economically as attractive as alternatives now.
The same will happen to oil. There will always be oil, but alternatives will be cheaper and better for the environment. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Posted: 15:51 - 17 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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I agree that we are going round in circles.
For any of the alternatives we know about today to be viable as fuel on the scale of oil (i.e. so that we can all run cars as personal transport), we need to accept that billions will starve. This is because we will need land presently used to grow food, to grow biofuels instead. This biofuel can either be used to generate electricity, or produce oil.
Either way, we won't be doing this on an industrial scale in the UK because we have too many people and not enough land.
My argument for staying in the EU is that as a trading block, we can at least try to influence the big players such as the US, China and India to use less energy and produce what they do in a more efficient and cleaner manner. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: | I agree that we are going round in circles.
For any of the alternatives we know about today to be viable as fuel on the scale of oil (i.e. so that we can all run cars as personal transport), we need to accept that billions will starve. This is because we will need land presently used to grow food, to grow biofuels instead. This biofuel can either be used to generate electricity, or produce oil.
Either way, we won't be doing this on an industrial scale in the UK because we have too many people and not enough land.
My argument for staying in the EU is that as a trading block, we can at least try to influence the big players such as the US, China and India to use less energy and produce what they do in a more efficient and cleaner manner. |
Your speculating biased opinion as fact. It most certainly isn't.
Biofuel is not the only option is it?
Sorry, couldn't find your mate Caroline Greeny Lucas on one.
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Posted: 16:28 - 17 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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Think about that and think about sustainable gas supplies, or would you have us go back to a gasworks in each town? Your terrorist buddies would love that!
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Which shows how unconstitutional the EU is. They failed with their treaty so back doored a lot in via amendments and got it ratified. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 125 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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