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PostPosted: 11:27 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Developed a knocking noise.... Any ideas? Reply with quote

Right bit worried here, My er6f 2007 has developed a knocking noise (and feeling it too on my right peg)

I first thought it might have been the chain being a little loose, but i tightened it up yesterday and im still getting the knocking....

Ive checked the break discs and theyre all straight, and the knocking seems to be happening with each revolution of the wheel... But when riding the bike it kinds sounds like its coming from under me... Maybe in the engine itself.

The bike seems to ride normally, ive not really noticed any change in performance... But the knocking is worrying me. Before i go diving in and taking apart the bottom end, i wanted other peoples opinion on what it could be.

Now ive been leaving my bike outside over night this last couple of weeks (as ive had to leave the house at 6:30), its rained and we've even had frost... I cant see why but has this caused the problem?

All the gears seem to work, theres no grinding gears change seem to be 99% fine (I did have trouble changing down a gear once a few weeks ago but was just this once)

So any ideas?
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is with each turn of the wheel why would you touch the bottom end?

I assume when you rev the engine it doesn't change the frequency of knocking?

We need to know when the knock is in effect/when it changes.

Does reving the engine with the clutch in change the knock?

Does rolling with the clutch in knock?

Can you get the wheels off the ground, spinning with the wheels Check for anything not right.

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PostPosted: 11:52 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's more likely driveline or wheel related than engine if it changes with wheel speed...
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry yeah could have given some more info....
Ive not yet put it on the back stand, have planned to do it shortly...

No the knocking doesnt happen when I rev with the clutch in at stand still...

The knocking seems to be more in time with the rotation of the wheels. I thought if it was something in the bottom end, maybe the drive shaft to the little sprocket... (guessing here)

I was looking at the bottom end because thats where it feels like its coming from, ie I feel it through the right peg)

Something else I didnt mention that started a few weeks ago... My engine exhaust pops when changing gear or down rev a bit quick... I know people can make their super bikes pop like this, but my bike didnt used to do that and Im not that aggressive with the gear changing.

Though I dont think the popping is related to my knocking...
i might just need to check the spark plugs, maybe theyre worn out...

Im thinking aboug getting an MT07 in the next few months, Im really REALLY not keen on having an expensive fix for my current bike...
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: knock Reply with quote

Find a suitably safe bit of straight road. With a hot engine ( normal running temp ) ride off normally and change into second gear. Increase speed to about half revs and pull the clutch in, let engine idle. Dont touch the brakes, but listen.

Knock slows down with the bikes speed all the way down to zero mph??

You may be able to select neutral and even turn the bike off whilst slowing down from half revs in second, even better.

Knock slows down with the speed all the way down to zero mph ?

What happened??
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

NutsyUk wrote:


Something else I didnt mention that started a few weeks ago... My engine exhaust pops when changing gear or down rev a bit quick... I know people can make their super bikes pop like this, but my bike didnt used to do that and Im not that aggressive with the gear changing.


This does sound like an air leak perhaps at a gasket.
Not sure it accounts for the knocking noise but blowing exhaust can sound unlike blowing exhaust at first, and might be less noticeable with no load i.e. testing stationary.
You might even speculate that wet and freezing weather could have weakened it.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok Kitt...


Well no ive ruled out the chain like i said.

I tried riding on some quite roads killing revs and holding the clutch, and hearing the knocking.

As for gasket, which one? Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if all the gaskets are the original ones.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like what I had on my fazer,

I thought it was coming from the engine,and only heard it when bike was moving., was the rear wheel bearing in the end.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

drkbishop wrote:
Sounds like what I had on my fazer,

I thought it was coming from the engine,and only heard it when bike was moving., was the rear wheel bearing in the end.


That's something else I had considered... But I would have thought I'd feel it jolt the bike or something ...

About to go put it in rear stand now... if it is the bearing I'm not so sure I'll hear the knocking as the wheel wouldn't have weight on it... But will see
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Re: Developed a knocking noise.... Any ideas? Reply with quote

NutsyUk wrote:
So any ideas?


Yeah, my idea is that we really ought to have a Workshop section for this kind of stuff.

Check :
- the chain for slack and kinks
- the front and rear sprocket for wear, hooking and misalignment
- rear sprocket carrier bearings
- wheel bearings
- hamsters with tiny hammers hiding under the seat.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Re: Developed a knocking noise.... Any ideas? Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:
NutsyUk wrote:
So any ideas?


Yeah, my idea is that we really ought to have a Workshop section for this kind of stuff.

Check :
- the chain for slack and kinks
- the front and rear sprocket for wear, hooking and misalignment
- rear sprocket carrier bearings
- wheel bearings
- hamsters with tiny hammers hiding under the seat.



Great news, discovered what it is.... Evilhans you are indeed right.... It was the hamster with a hammer......

No youre right I should have put this in workshop... my bad.


Got it up on the stand and warmed it up then ran it with the gears.... No knocking sound... so either i was right that if it is the bearing needed weight on the bike to make it knock, or bearing is fine (50/50)

But like you also mentioned chain... and sprocket. They are a bit worn... And the chain is wobbling around... though that might be because theres no load on the bike. (ie a fat man...) however, its possible the chain is also a bit stretched as it is getting on and I did have the advisory for a slightly worn back sprocket. So maybe its time to get some new bits... Though im not convinced thats whats been causing it...

No kinks in the chain, and its aligned...
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

KITT wrote:
Well it either is the bearing or it isn't.

Give the wheel a wobble whilst it's off the ground (on the stand) if there's any movement the bearing is indeed knackered.


Wheels solid, ive orderd a new chain and sprocket set... hopefully it is just that...
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't forget to weld the front sprocket on Wink
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlike Bodytard, you'll probably know to wind the adjusters back in, before crying to us that your chain is too long Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

after heavy rain my chain can sometimes stiffen in one or two places, it knocks a bit only when pulling away, not on slowing down (but does clunk a little when shoving the bike around by hand)

bit of oil scrubbed in with a tooth brush sorts it after a ride.

hoping to get through winter on current chain and sprockets and get them done in the spring.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats a recardo?
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

almostthere wrote:
whats a recardo?


Retardo. He meant Retardo.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol Ashley is such a phoney cunt. This time last year cars were for baby loser nerds and he was telling us how his winter riding skills made him Wakefield’s answer to Marc Marquez.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 11 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

almostthere wrote:
whats a recardo?


leather recardo is his boyfriend

You've got laugh at the fetid bucket of donkey spunk giving out mechanical advice, given he's got the mechanical wherewithal of a oxygen starved chimpanzee.
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