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| Monkeywrencher wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
There you go, a description for the hard of thinking or those just being awkward.  |
Do you think "write leave EU on the ballot paper" sounds like something to chosen on an actual ballot, no he means that choice is being removed... you're wrong, perhgaps The OP would like to clarify as it's his question. |
It's a poll on a website, not the actual ballot.
Considering the numbers of MP's, Z list celebrities and gobby remainers, shouting for another "peoples vote", even though we've already had one, do you not think it's a pertinent option? Very few people who voted leave now expect us to actually leave the EU properly and in the way that most wanted.
I know as a remainer, you like to tell us all that we didn't know what we were voting for, were all hoodwinked and in fact wrong, but if you opened your eyes and took in the poll questions and results, you'd realise that (on here at least) the vast majority of leave voters just want to leave, with no concessions and watering down deals.
I know this doesn't fit the remain agenda and you'd all like to pretend otherwise, but that's how it is. Around 2/3 of the people who responded to my other poll just want to leave with no deal in preference to either staying in or going May's part out but further in deal.
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| Riejufixing wrote: | The UK is now no longer a member of the EU. |
Let me know when that actually means that we are free to do as we choose, with NO risk of the EU vetoing our sovereign decisions, no matter what "assurances" they give. Words are cheap, and everyone recognises that all will seek to look after their own interests. Give them a legal mechanism by which they can do so, and I believe they will use it. Or convince me that they won't?* But wait, are you the one holding a crystal ball now? 
You do agree that the EU could make things difficult, not to say unpleasant, for us on the basis of this agreement?
*Your time might be more productive if you could convince the DUP however, not to mention the majority of Parliament.
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| Riejufixing wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | I knew whatever I said you were just going to call me stupid or say I don't know what I'm talking about, but I just thought I'd humour you anyway. Such a pity etc |
No, I really thought I might get something apart from the ordinary reply, or something like the above which a pathetic cop-out and weaselly attempt to say "Yes I did know really but won't say", pardon me for saying so, but really. How disappointing. Still. Something like this would have been good, so I'll post it for you, with a bit of "history". As previously, this is the government's intention:
23 June 2016: EU referendum. The electorate voted to leave[1].
29 March 2017: The PM notifed the European Council of the UK's
intention to withdraw from the European Union[2].
26 June 2018: The European Union (Withdrawal) Act receives Royal Assent: "The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed on exit day"[3].
25 November 2018: The UK and EU agree a Withdrawal Agreement[4]. There is an accompanying "Political Declaration" setting out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom[5].
THIS IS NOW
?? ??? ???? The Withdrawal Agreement is approved by parliament.
?? ??? ???? The Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the EU.
29 March 2019: Exit Day. Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon fires, and the Treaties of Nice, Amsterdam, Maastricht and the Single European Act cease to apply to the UK[6]. Simultaneously, The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed by the UK's European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. The UK is now no longer a member of the EU.
29 March 2019: The Transition Period with negotiated "Withdrawal Agreement" (AKA "deal") commences[7]. Trade with the EU and any area it has a trade agreement with continues normally.
02/Apr/2019: Negotiations on the future Trade Agreement start.
31 December 2020: The Transition Period ends. The Trade Agreement starts.
End of process.
[1] Leave 17,410,742; Remain 16,141,241.
[2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604079/Prime_Ministers_letter_to_European_Council_President_Donald_Tusk.pdf
[3] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/crossheading/repeal-of-the-eca/enacted
[4] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759019/25_November_Agreement_on_the_withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union_and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf
[5] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759021/25_November_Political_Declaration_setting_out_the_framework_for_the_future_relationship_between_the_European_Union_and_the_United_Kingdom__.pdf
[6] https://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
[7] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759019/25_November_Agreement_on_the_withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union_and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf |
If you really think that's what's going to happen, you've got to be the most gullible person on this board. You're quoting your pipe dream as fact and brushing off other peoples views as fantasy, when in reality, I suspect IAR's description of what will happen is far more likely than your version of reality.
You missed out the bit where we have to pay £39BN up front, for a possible future chance of negotiating leaving the EU single market, customs union, ECJ, backstop and a negotiating a future trading relationship.
Why would the EU do this for us when we've already paid them and they now legally have us by the balls to keep flogging their shit to us tariff free, in full control of us and able to carry on rinsing money out of us? Remember, if the deal can't be agreed within the 2 years transition period they can start charging us again, even after the £39BN. Guess what they'll do?
You're the sort of person May is relying on to push this Remain in all but name deal through. Seriously, look into the implications of it, because it's nowhere near this "leaving the EU" that you dream of.
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Can I create a poll and add 'Shoot Tony Blair' onto it?
I'm so sorry that my region encouraged the nutter - now he won't shut up 
Kinda surprised but not surprised by the results of this poll.
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| Riejufixing wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: | a possible future chance of negotiating leaving the EU single market, customs union, ECJ |
29 March 2019: Exit Day. Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon fires, and the Treaties of Nice, Amsterdam, Maastricht and the Single European Act cease to apply to the UK[6]. Simultaneously, The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed by the UK's European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. The UK is now no longer a member of the EU.
I've added the part you have such difficulty comprehending, again.
What don't you understand about leaving the EU? |
Hang on, you really are that daft aren't you?
Are you pretending that as it stands, after March 29th next year, the UK is not still tied to the customs union, ECJ, Single market, EU rules, regulations and the backstop. Have you actually looked at this deal you keep pushing, but nobody else in the country is daft enough to not see that it's shit? You know we pay up front and have to rely on the EU agreeing for us to properly leave, or they can just carry on charging us and keep us tied to the EU?
Did you take in the Attorney General's statement?
Go on, answer us, give us all a laugh.
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| Riejufixing wrote: | | M.C wrote: | He's a one man army |
I think he's utterly confused about what's happening, to the extent that if someone posts "We're leaving the EU, so bollocks to all you Leavers", he'll actually start arguing to remain. Shrug. |
I'm confused?
I suggest you look a bit deeper into this deal, like everyone else has and rejected it, before you make a bigger tit of yourself.
This deal is not leaving the EU in any way shape or form, it still ties us to the EU and they have even more control over us than now. We have to cough up and hope they'll negotiate us properly leaving. You can call it "leaving" if you like, but all we're leaving is the ability to have a say on the EU, we still keep all the shitty bits and hand more control to them.
If they don't agree to us leaving, there is nothing legally we can do about it under this current deal. May has been trying to get this changed with a new agreement amendment for the backstop. They've told her to do one.
Do you ever listen to the news before commenting, or are you just trolling now?
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Poll options are:
1. Remain in the EU (current terms)
2. Remain in the EU under Theresa's deal. This is leave in name only and will lead to us opting back in, just like she did with the European Arrest Warrant.
3. Filing a protest vote by writing "Leave the EU" or similar on the ballot paper with a pen. Half of the second referendum brigade don't want leave to be an option on the referendum because they think it might actually win.
Expect any second referendum to be completely rigged and flooded with EU money. You will be walking around knee deep in EU stickers and leaflets.
| Riejufixing wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | I knew whatever I said you were just going to call me stupid or say I don't know what I'm talking about, but I just thought I'd humour you anyway. Such a pity etc |
No, I really thought I might get something apart from the ordinary reply, or something like the above which a pathetic cop-out and weaselly attempt to say "Yes I did know really but won't say", pardon me for saying so, but really. How disappointing. Still. Something like this would have been good, so I'll post it for you, with a bit of "history". As previously, this is the government's intention:
23 June 2016: EU referendum. The electorate voted to leave[1].
29 March 2017: The PM notifed the European Council of the UK's
intention to withdraw from the European Union[2].
26 June 2018: The European Union (Withdrawal) Act receives Royal Assent: "The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed on exit day"[3].
25 November 2018: The UK and EU agree a Withdrawal Agreement[4]. There is an accompanying "Political Declaration" setting out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom[5].
THIS IS NOW
?? ??? ???? The Withdrawal Agreement is approved by parliament.
?? ??? ???? The Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the EU.
29 March 2019: Exit Day. Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon fires, and the Treaties of Nice, Amsterdam, Maastricht and the Single European Act cease to apply to the UK[6]. Simultaneously, The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed by the UK's European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. The UK is now no longer a member of the EU.
29 March 2019: The Transition Period with negotiated "Withdrawal Agreement" (AKA "deal") commences[7]. Trade with the EU and any area it has a trade agreement with continues normally.
02/Apr/2019: Negotiations on the future Trade Agreement start.
31 December 2020: The Transition Period ends. The Trade Agreement starts.
End of process.
[1] Leave 17,410,742; Remain 16,141,241.
[2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604079/Prime_Ministers_letter_to_European_Council_President_Donald_Tusk.pdf
[3] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/crossheading/repeal-of-the-eca/enacted
[4] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759019/25_November_Agreement_on_the_withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union_and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf
[5] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759021/25_November_Political_Declaration_setting_out_the_framework_for_the_future_relationship_between_the_European_Union_and_the_United_Kingdom__.pdf
[6] https://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
[7] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759019/25_November_Agreement_on_the_withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union_and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf |
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| Val wrote: | | RhynoCZ wrote: | Again? What's next, the penalty shootout? |
They caught them cheating the match is invalid.
Honest referree would have awarded 3:0 for Remain long time ago... |
You do know that you may move outside the EU, legally, and apply there for permanent residence and even the citizenship, right?
All this offside crap (to stay on the pitch) is just a stalling tactic that's not going to work. EU will not play nice forever, we (EU) have our own interests, just like the UK has its. Sooner we (Europe) figure this out, better for everyone. The current state of things, the uncertainty, is not good for business and therefor everyone.
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