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Just a curious question for the masses - If we had a way to poll the UK as a whole tomorrow (ignoring that the last ref was a poll). And it came back as a majority remain this time, would it then be democratic to go forward and push the leave vote?
It is democratic to ignore the present will of the people and abide the former vote
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It it undemocratic to ignore the present will of the people and abide the earlier vote.
52%
 52%  [ 11 ]
Total Votes : 21

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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is not democratic to keep asking until you get the right answer and then stop asking after that.

The same people who want a second vote now fought like hell to stop the first one, it's only now that they've lost that they care. The people in favour try to make principled arguments but they don't believe in the principle except in this one specific instance.

1) Young people deserve a vote
2) Democracy is a continuous process

Fair enough. But then we have to re-vote on all policies every 3 years and it has to continue forever like that. That is a principle, and one I'm quite happy with actually. But what I am not OK with is having a re-vote, but just once for the current young people, but not future young people, and only in this one specific case... aka losers vote.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sload wrote:
Ste surprised me though, if I'm honest.

Why shouldn't Val be deported?
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Sload wrote:
it kinda went the way I expected tbh Thumbs Up

That each time a poll gets repeated, less and less people bother to vote?


It was purposely concise with no wriggle room so I expected a few would not step up and nail their colours to the mast, despite it being anonymous.

You assume it was specific to Brexit, it is separating a principle argument only.

For those who stepped up, cheers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
How many times are you going to reject the previous answer and call it democracy?
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
"it came back as a majority remain this time"

That's not specific to Brexit? Confused
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
"it came back as a majority remain this time"

That's not specific to Brexit? Confused


That's the story to provide the colour to the the question I was curious about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment

If you didn't get the point of it I'll actually apologise as I thought it was obvious and that may have been my error. Edited the OP for you.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
How you imagined this would go...
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/200w.gif

How it actually went...
https://media.giphy.com/media/PYEGoZXABBMuk/giphy.gif

Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:35 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
How you imagined this would go...
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/200w.gif

How it actually went...
https://media.giphy.com/media/PYEGoZXABBMuk/giphy.gif

Laughing


Still trying to weasel a rise that you can then attempt to claim a gotcha..... Laughing N/N. You might need to start charging me rent for occupying your mind you sophist, sleep well Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:52 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Deport Val. Thumbs Up


I'm seriously scared now. Yesterday misread this article as Boxing Day peasant shoot. Almost got me in hiding here...
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sload you really are an undemocratic one aren't you?! Keep voting until the words match what a select few want?
(I voted because I enjoy ticking boxes)

Exam? I thought you were decorating this week?
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://i.imgur.com/TLsT6Ii.png

Remainers should be careful what they wish for.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sload wrote:
Still trying to weasel a rise that you can then attempt to claim a gotcha..... Laughing N/N. You might need to start charging me rent for occupying your mind you sophist, sleep well Laughing

Ok Deontay Wink

Rob Fzs wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/TLsT6Ii.png

Remainers should be careful what they wish for.

That's what I highlighted before, Brexit was meant to be 'not worth the risk', remainers are risking a no deal Brexit for (what they see as) a chance to stop Brexit.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:
(poll)


That's interesting, can you add a pointer to your source for the origin of this poll, please?
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
(poll)


That's interesting, can you add a pointer to your source for the origin of this poll, please?


Umm, Martin Lewis money saving expert page, and then me using MS paint
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

That's interesting, can you add a pointer to your source for the origin of this poll, please?

Umm, Martin Lewis money saving expert page, and then me using MS paint

A URL would be helpful. I can't see the poll on the obvious site:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks like facebook to me (I don't have an account so can't access his page).
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
Looks like facebook to me (I don't have an account so can't access his page).


Rob says it's on Mr Lewis's website. I can't see it, hence my asking.

FYI with W10 there's a thing called "snipping tool" which is very useful.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.strawpoll.me/17070262/r
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
M.C wrote:
Looks like facebook to me (I don't have an account so can't access his page).


Rob says it's on Mr Lewis's website. I can't see it, hence my asking.

FYI with W10 there's a thing called "snipping tool" which is very useful.

Not to be pedantic [BCF is all about being pedantic Smile] but he said page which I interpreted as failbook page.

EDIT: beaten to it.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:
Just use your brain, go on his facebook page and find it, not hard.


However, you said it was on "Martin Lewis money saving expert page". Now you're saying it's on Facebook.

Why don't you just post the URL, as I've asked a couple of times? Are you trying to hide something, I wonder?

EDIT: This search:

martin lewis poll brexit site:facebook.com

shows it's on "tommy robinson's" facebook page!!! So that's it then. ROFLMAO!

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PostPosted: 18:28 - 18 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:


EDIT: beaten to it.


If he doesn't understand the interface of which it shows 'like, comment, share' which only Facebook uses, then it's pointless explaining anything else
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