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PostPosted: 11:08 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Gatwick chaos Reply with quote

What do you reckon about this Gatwick story? Seems a bit odd that one person or a small group can bring the country to a stand still with cheap drones, closing an airport for 36 hours. I'm surprised the authorities and military do not have the technology or ability to find and take down, what could have been a couple of 50 toys.

It seemed to flood the news yesterday, taking away any stories over the current shite going on in the government. Is there a possibility it was a news diversion stunt by the authorities? I mean, if it closes the airport for 36 hours, any Islamic militant with a drone with now be on their way to their nearest airport.

All seems a tad hard to believe that in 36 hours, they couldn't find the people responsible. The range on these things cant be that far surely? Do we really not have the ability or technology to remove the threat of a drone FFS? I mean, in 36 hours, they would need several charges or battery changes, so surely shouldn't have been that hard to trace.

If it really is genuine, I find it quite alarming that we have no defence over such an easy threat.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've been widely used in recent wars and they aren't short of ways to bring them down - but mostly not suitable near aircraft systems I suspect.

My guess is individuals or groups acting for or inspired by the ecomentals such as Extinction Rebellion.
We'll see more of this and making new laws (down with that sort of thing) will have no effect whatsoever as there are already laws about not endangering aircraft and flying near airports - which they are so far powerless to enforce.

It is mysterious how there are practically no photos or video despite "50" sightings.
It's unlikely it could have stayed up for more than 30 minutes without going back for fresh batteries, I don't understand how it couldn't be followed with a helicopter or another drone.

No idea why the snackbars have been so slow to invent ways to destroy and inconvenience the infidels using drones already.


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PostPosted: 11:19 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, it's either fake, or bonkers frankly, which means someone somewhere is either lying or incompetent.

Either way, as a country, not showing ourselves in a good light.


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PostPosted: 11:21 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get drones that shoot down drones.

Anyway, I got some good footage, didn't seem many planes landing though. Must have been closed for xmas or something! Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 11:22 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies if showing ignorance of the situation, but why didn't they ask a local farmer to shoot it down?
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Apologies if showing ignorance of the situation, but why didn't they ask a local farmer to shoot it down?

Actually a shotgun would be ideal as it can't have been very high.

Just in:
https://uokhun.uk/2018/12/20/these-aerial-images-of-gatwick-airport-are-breathtaking/
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't be a cheap drone as they don't have long enough flight time or range. Drones capable of doing what's happening at Gatwick cost thousands, the flight route can be pre programmed so whoever's controlling it doesn't even need to be in range.

It's plausible that whoever is responsible is trying to force our hand and make the military show what anti drone tech they've got.

The fact they've got to change the batteries and recharge it doesn't really help narrow anything down.

News diversion stunt? I suppose that's possible but you'd think there are easier ways of burying bad news.

To stand any real chance of finding the culprits, a helicopter needs to be airborne when the drone is sighted at Gatwick.

If they shoot it down then there's fuck all chance of catching whoever is to blame.

There are loads of possible threats that we have no real defence against. Christmas vans of peace for example.

I'm wondering why (so far) only Gatwick is being targeted. You could cause bigger disruptions by flying it around Heathrow. It's only about a 40 mile drive from Gatwick to Heathrow so to really wind everyone up, doing both in one day would be easy enough.


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PostPosted: 11:33 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
It's unlikely it could have stayed up for more than 30 minutes without going back for fresh batteries, I don't understand how it couldn't be followed with a helicopter or another drone.

30 or 40 minutes and that's without any extra batteries.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
What do you reckon about this Gatwick story? Seems a bit odd that one person or a small group can bring the country to a stand still with cheap drones, closing an airport for 36 hours. I'm surprised the authorities and military do not have the technology or ability to find and take down, what could have been a couple of 50 toys.

It seemed to flood the news yesterday, taking away any stories over the current shite going on in the government. Is there a possibility it was a news diversion stunt by the authorities? I mean, if it closes the airport for 36 hours, any Islamic militant with a drone with now be on their way to their nearest airport.

All seems a tad hard to believe that in 36 hours, they couldn't find the people responsible. The range on these things cant be that far surely? Do we really not have the ability or technology to remove the threat of a drone FFS? I mean, in 36 hours, they would need several charges or battery changes, so surely shouldn't have been that hard to trace.

If it really is genuine, I find it quite alarming that we have no defence over such an easy threat.


If they saw it they could shoot it down with shotguns, there were groups of cops walking around with semi-auto shotguns and birdshot on the airfield. The army are also bringing Wifi jammers. Jamming drones long term isn't an option though as you'll have to jam the wifi, keyfob etc of everyone within a mile or 2 of the airport as well. Similarly if they block the 433MHz ISM band that will knock out the emergency services TETRA comms too. As Ste said they don't want to stop the drone, they want to make a public example of the pilot when they catch them to deter others.

More generally the authorities (see "the police management and intel services") don't like the way ordinary people are now able to access what used to be nation state level capabilities like medium range remote aerial surveillence and strike, strong cryptography (AES128, RSA), and secure collective organisation (whatsapp, snapchat etc). Just wait until people use 1kg drones fitted with single shot handguns or some kind of saw. Remote controlled cars like a Focus or something will be far more dangerous than a 1kg drone. It's easily possible for a single person to use 10 remote control used cars as ramming kill vehicles around central London.

Also, it's probably greenies or students on holiday with new drone. Term time ended at uni ended just before this happened.

doggone wrote:

No idea why the snackbars have been so slow to invent ways to destroy and inconvenience the infidels using drones already.


A big drone costs 1k, snackbars are poor.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

News diversion stunt? I suppose that's possible but you'd think there are easier ways of burying bad news.


Really? 2 drones, nobody hurt, hardly any effect on the economy, fills every news outler for almost 2 days whilst Brexit goes off the radar.

Seems a very cheap and effective distraction to me.

Ste wrote:
To stand any real chance of finding the culprits, a helicopter needs to be airborne when the drone is sighted at Gatwick.


If only there was an airport with hundreds of helicopters nearby during the 36 hour period eh?

Ste wrote:
If they shoot it down then there's fuck all chance of catching whoever is to blame.


And the chances of catching them now it's no longer flying are?

Ste wrote:
There are loads of possible threats that we have no real defence against. Christmas vans of peace for example.


True, but this affects way more people for such an easy and cheap outlay.

Ste wrote:
I'm wondering why (so far) only Gatwick is being targeted. You could cause bigger disruptions by flying it around Heathrow. It's only about a 40 mile drive from Gatwick to Heathrow so to really wind everyone up, doing both in one day would be easy enough.


Maybe it was just a ploy to get Brexit out of the news now the MP's have gone on holiday until January? It seems to have worked. The Brexit threads have dropped like a stone on here.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
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1k doesn't buy a very big drone. Razz

The biggest drone from DJI costs ~5,500 and you can spend many times that on more professional ones. Shocked

Jamming it wouldn't help as it'll have a return to base function.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Really? 2 drones, nobody hurt, hardly any effect on the economy, fills every news outler for almost 2 days whilst Brexit goes off the radar.

Brexit hasn't gone off the radar, it's still on the front page off BBC News.Wink

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Seems a very cheap and effective distraction to me.

The cost of buying the drone isn't massively expensive in the grand scheme of things but the knock on costs are huge.

mpd72 CPT wrote:
If only there was an airport with hundreds of helicopters nearby during the 36 hour period eh?

It's the needing to be already in the air that's the problem.

mpd72 CPT wrote:
And the chances of catching them now it's no longer flying are?

I'm guessing that it'll be back as more disruption will mean they're making their point even more. Plus they'll be having a bit of a giggle about bringing Gatwick to a halt.

mpd72 CPT wrote:
True, but this affects way more people for such an easy and cheap outlay.

Renting a van, stealing a van or whatever costs less than a 5k+ drone.

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Maybe it was just a ploy to get Brexit out of the news now the MP's have gone on holiday until January? It seems to have worked. The Brexit threads have dropped like a stone on here.

Brexit isn't out of the news. It's not the top story but it's still on the front page of BBC News and I expect the same on other news sites.

Everyone is getting bored of the Brexit threads on here and that's got nothing to do with the Battle for Gatwick.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant help thinking there is more to this than they are letting on.
There have been various other drones spotted in and around airports with minimal fuss.

It seems odd that such lengths are being taken to shut down.

Then you read this is happening in Germany and things become more suspicious.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46639182
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll bet it's some twat looking at a helicopter a long way away.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt this is a Muslim/Paedo drone transporting young white girls to the homes of all Pakistani men in and around the Gatwick area.

Quick, get Tommy on the case.

Laughing

If you believe anything else or have ANY thoughts that this might not be related to terrorism or conspiracy then you are supporting the paedophiles you sick fucks.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
No doubt this is a Muslim/Paedo drone transporting young white girls to the homes of all Pakistani men in and around the Gatwick area.

Quick, get Tommy on the case.

Laughing

If you believe anything else or have ANY thoughts that this might not be related to terrorism or conspiracy then you are supporting the paedophiles you sick fucks.


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PostPosted: 14:08 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

Brexit hasn't gone off the radar, it's still on the front page off BBC News.Wink


Al Beeb have a daily anto Brexit story anyway. I've not heard anything on the radio news for days now.

Ste wrote:
It's the needing to be already in the air that's the problem.


Bollocks. A Police helicopter could have been in the air well within the 36 hours that Gatwick has been closed.

Ste wrote:

I'm guessing that it'll be back as more disruption will mean they're making their point even more. Plus they'll be having a bit of a giggle about bringing Gatwick to a halt.


Unless it really was another drop the dead donkey news distraction.

Ste wrote:
Renting a van, stealing a van or whatever costs less than a 5k+ drone.


But doesn't involve the suicide of the attacker, nor affect hundreds of thousands of people.


Ste wrote:
Brexit isn't out of the news. It's not the top story but it's still on the front page of BBC News and I expect the same on other news sites.


It's certainly had the heat taken away from it. Al Beeb's generic project fear story is an absolute waste of airtime...

Quote:
Financial Secretary to the Treasury Mel Stride told the BBC's Today programme "there is a call to action now


Who the feck is Mel Stride? Never heard of her Wink

Ste wrote:
Everyone is getting bored of the Brexit threads on here and that's got nothing to do with the Battle for Gatwick.


I don't agree. This news has conveniently kept other Brexit news on the quiet, so people have nothing new to add to the threads.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Who do you think it is

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PostPosted: 14:13 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:


Who do you think it is Mossy?


No idea. Occam's razor applies though
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Renting a van, stealing a van or whatever costs less than a 5k+ drone.


DJI Mavic Pro drones can be had for around 700 and are more than capable of flying distances and filming high quality 1080p footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMQ8XVd6A44

If you wanted to scout out an airport for security flaws, it's not exactly past the average person to get one and record some footage.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruit some Youtube drone people to catch it.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some bloke on LBC claimed earlier that Heathrow already has anti-drone systems in place. When questioned on why others don't his claim was 'It's a new technology and takes time to put in place' which to me means he's talking shite Heathrow is just as vulnerable and if that one has drones flying near it'll cause massive disruption..

Shotguns are only effective to a certain fairly short range.
Live rounds can travel miles if they miss which means babies dead in nearby villages.

Totally agree on this: definitely something they're not telling us. They'll have known where it was landing and taking off from so why didn't they act?
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fourte wrote:


Totally agree on this: definitely something they're not telling us. They'll have known where it was landing and taking off from so why didn't they act?


Because it was stage by the authorities to bury Brexit news? Whistle
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stories going round it's eco warriors.

Jeremy Vine Puke was full of it this afternoon so it must be true. Rolling Eyes
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