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The stereotypical black gangbanger (I assume that's what you mean) is religious. |
I'll assume (  ) you are correct.
| Quote: | Are you suggesting moar Jebus will save them?  |
Is that what you think I'm suggesting? If so, you're wrong. I'm not really suggesting anything. I asked a lot of questions. Have a go at answering some of them if you like 
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| Polarbear wrote: | Will I go to hell if I say yes or will I go to hell if I say no 
I was brought up in the era where homosexuality was not only deemed wrong, it was illegal, obscene and unnatural even before the church had their say.
In my lifetime it has gone from that to being positively encouraged at every opportunity. That is as wrong in my eyes as the attitude towards homosexuals when I was a kid.
The church has a problem in that it is mainly filled by people of my era with the ingrained morals fro the 1960's it has to keep sweet while being politically correct.
Islam doesn't suffer from this, they just throw poofs off high buildings. |
Honestly that makes you sound like a bit of a dinosaur and this well I was brought up that way attitude is part of the problem IMO (particularity with Jesus freaks) . I agree somewhat that it's wrong how they seem to be encouraging 'homosexuality' although I'd phrase it more as a feminisation of male children, which's fine if you're that way inclined but a lot of blokes still like football/drinking/watching a punch-up.
| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
The stereotypical black gangbanger (I assume that's what you mean) is religious. |
I'll assume ( ) you are correct.
| Quote: | Are you suggesting moar Jebus will save them? |
Is that what you think I'm suggesting? If so, you're wrong. I'm not really suggesting anything. I asked a lot of questions. Have a go at answering some of them if you like |
What did I fail to answer? Your supposition, even if it was just a random idea, was that a lack of religious morals/values is a contributing factor in inner city violence. That doesn't tally with my experience.
I'm willing to bet the countries we consider civilised have lower levels of religion, or at least those global religions of peace known as Christianity and Islam. |
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What did I fail to answer? Your supposition, even if it was just a random idea, was that a lack of religious morals/values is a contributing factor in inner city violence. That doesn't tally with my experience.
I'm willing to bet the countries we consider civilised have lower levels of religion, or at least those global religions of peace known as Christianity and Islam. |
It's not so much a lack of religious morals/values. I do think we have come far enough (our generations, anyway) to have a well developed sense of those things ourselves. But we must have got them from somewhere - they're not innate in all humans sans external influence. But also, let's not confine the question to inner cities - they're just perhaps the most extreme examples.
It's more a question of how the generations to come will develop those same values in the absence of religion. Would you, for instance, say there has been a decline in moral values over the past few decades, as many people think? If so, what would you say has been the cause?
Here's another, associated, question: what are the moral values of corporate globalism?
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| chickenstrip wrote: | It's not so much a lack of religious morals/values. I do think we have come far enough (our generations, anyway) to have a well developed sense of those things ourselves. But we must have got them from somewhere - they're not innate in all humans sans external influence. But also, let's not confine the question to inner cities - they're just perhaps the most extreme examples.
It's more a question of how the generations to come will develop those same values in the absence of religion. Would you, for instance, say there has been a decline in moral values over the past few decades, as many people think? If so, what would you say has been the cause? |
Well I'm gonna sound MPD here but I think mass immigration has played a role. We've imported people with different standards and yes, those with a religious outlook. We've also lacked a identity of our own, which isn't a bad thing IMO, but it does make you impressionable and drawn to cultures with a strong identity.
To hopefully explain this a bit more; inner-city violence is heavily influenced by the US rap/gang/street culture, obviously black lads identify with this the most but also some white and Asian kids are drawn to it. I know we used to have the Krays etc., it's not like we were the Eloi , but rather than people adapting to our culture we seem to have adapted to theirs.
Acid attacks are another example, you used hear about them mainly overseas, in poorer countries. Who started doing them over here (in recent years)? It's like the saying one bad apple can spoil the bunch, humans are stupid and tend to base their behaviour on the behaviour of others, if the standard of that behaviour drops that becomes the new norm.
Also I don't think people in quiet English villages are throwing acid at each other, from what I hear in the civilised world things are still fairly you know... civilised.
| chickenstrip wrote: | Here's another, associated, question: what are the moral values of corporate globalism? |
As you mentioned materialism earlier no I don't think this take take take attitude is healthy either, but then I'm not sure religion prevents that. There has to be something in the middle, and consumerism if you think about it is a sort of religion as well.
What drives me mad is we seem to be constantly arguing about how we should condition people... how about we just don't? |
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What drives me mad is we seem to be constantly arguing about how we should condition people... how about we just don't? |
I'm knackered now, so for the moment I'll just take this bit ;
Aren't the laws of the land about conditioning people? Are you saying we should have no rule of law?
No, I know you don't think that, but do you get what I mean? Actually, I think you might be saying that the rule of law should be enough, if properly enforced? But I wonder, maybe that's not enough.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
What drives me mad is we seem to be constantly arguing about how we should condition people... how about we just don't? |
I'm knackered now, so for the moment I'll just take this bit ;
Aren't the laws of the land about conditioning people? Are you saying we should have no rule of law?
No, I know you don't think that, but do you get what I mean? Actually, I think you might be saying that the rule of law should be enough, if properly enforced? But I wonder, maybe that's not enough.
Was Mary Whitehouse right? !!!!! |
The reason I don't want to kill you and eat your face is cos I don't want to kill you and eat your face... not because I might get caught if I do Does a law saying I can't kill you and eat your face stop a psychopath from killing you and eating your face?
Hungry for face now...
| Skudd wrote: | The Religion of Science makes me laugh, It' science so must be believed until it is proven wrong again and again and again. Not long ago science said that the earth was at the center, then it decided it wasn't. Steven bloody Hawkins is another prime example, says that space is xyz, but tells then says that you are too thick to understand and by the time we understand he came up with another theory and gets loads of money for it. In a few hundred years they will laugh at him and call him an idiot. |
Isn't that a good thing? With religion people believe a work of fiction created thousands of years ago. Sure Christianity might have mellowed a bit (well some of them) but it's a religion of intolerance, you only need people to start taking that shite literally again, much like Islam seems to be doing for us to be back in the dark ages.
At least with science old shit theories get torn up, maybe they get a mention as a footnote but they don't keep teaching stuff they know to be outdated and wrong*, unlike religions.
*well maybe for a few years until they update the syllabus. |
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The reason I don't want to kill you and eat your face is cos I don't want to kill you and eat your face... not because I might get caught if I do Does a law saying I can't kill you and eat your face stop a psychopath from killing you and eating your face?
Hungry for face now... |
So if you don't believe the rule of law and its possible consequences to someone who breaks the law encourages higher moral standards, and you don't believe religion ever encouraged higher moral standards, what exactly is it that you're relying on to do so? Crime increases when there are no consequences for committing it, wouldn't you say?
The psychopath bit...well, neither the rule of law, religion or anything else is going to stop him from killing me and eating my face if he's inclined to. But an otherwise perfectly sane person might decide I have something they want (I don't, I'm poor  ), and therefore that it's worth his while killing me and eating my face (he might not do that bit if he's not a psychopath ) to get it, if there will be no consequences for his actions. Especially if he sees others doing it and getting away with it too.
Anyway, what does face taste like?
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What's most interesting is how people think the dominance of Islam is a problem. |
That depends. What if it's the kind of Islam that the Taliban made dominant in Afghanistan? Or that ISIS wish to make dominant throughout the world? Would you be ok with that?
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| chickenstrip wrote: | So if you don't believe the rule of law and its possible consequences to someone who breaks the law encourages higher moral standards, and you don't believe religion ever encouraged higher moral standards, what exactly is it that you're relying on to do so? Crime increases when there are no consequences for committing it, wouldn't you say?
The psychopath bit...well, neither the rule of law, religion or anything else is going to stop him from killing me and eating my face if he's inclined to. But an otherwise perfectly sane person might decide I have something they want (I don't, I'm poor ), and therefore that it's worth his while killing me and eating my face (he might not do that bit if he's not a psychopath ) to get it, if there will be no consequences for his actions. Especially if he sees others doing it and getting away with it too.
Anyway, what does face taste like? |
Your face tastes of arse Moral standards come from people who (to bring it full circle) are responsible and accountable for their own actions. People who do whatever they can get away with are usually fairly immoral, they're not using their own moral compass, they're seeing how far they can push it before   , which depending on where you live in the world could be robbing fools or murdering fools.
For example if you stab someone to death in UK right now the chances are you will get caught, and go to prison for a long time. So why are people still stabbing each other over nothing? It's illegal (we all know that), the god they believe in says it's wrong, but it still happens.
Religion far from imposing values seems to absolve individuals of blame and responsibility, which's pretty f'ing scary. |
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Your face tastes of arse |
You'd like that, wouldn't you
| Quote: | Moral standards come from people who (to bring it full circle) are responsible and accountable for their own actions. |
Doesn't get to the heart of the matter for me. Want to go into more depth?
| Quote: | People who do whatever they can get away with are usually fairly immoral |
You don't say, Einstein
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It's blindingly obvious that Iraq and Afghanistan didn't help at all.
It's rather telling that tensions became much worse after those wars started.
It's also rather telling that the 'black immigrants' problem of the 90s and early 2000s faded away into almost nothing as soon as the public's gaze shifted to the Muslim Menace. Nowadays barely anyone talks about black community problems at all, unless they have direct personal evidence. Most people get along quite fine, and there certainly isn't anything about Problem Blacks in the national press.
I know this is more of a rant about the way people are treated in the media, rather than facts or blame-finding, but I think it's important. I highly suspect there would be a lot more social harmony, or at least much less widespread hatred, if Muslims weren't dressed up as a national enemy for the past 15 years. Religion is irrelevant.
Anyway this has totally digressed. My point was that religion as a 'thing' is poitnless, it's a joke cult community that certain people like to play in. The UK has only one set of laws, which everyone must follow. If Islam make-believers end up embroiled in their Islam problems, they know full well that they can walk into their nearest police station or solicitors and complain about it. As far as I'm aware, the UK legal system has never been altered to cater for Sharia tendencies in any way, and so my point is proven, Islam is irrelevant. |
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| Lord Percy wrote: | It's blindingly obvious that Iraq and Afghanistan didn't help at all.
It's rather telling that tensions became much worse after those wars started. |
Tensions became worse after 7/7 in the UK. Was there no Islamic terrorism before those conflicts? Are only countries involved in those conflicts affected by Islamic terrorism?
| Lord Percy wrote: | It's also rather telling that the 'black immigrants' problem of the 90s and early 2000s faded away into almost nothing as soon as the public's gaze shifted to the Muslim Menace. Nowadays barely anyone talks about black community problems at all, unless they have direct personal evidence. Most people get along quite fine, and there certainly isn't anything about Problem Blacks in the national press. |
 It's in the media virtually everyday, it's just organisations like the BBC go with the victim narrative, otherwise they'd probably ignore the problem.
| Lord Percy wrote: | I know this is more of a rant about the way people are treated in the media, rather than facts or blame-finding, but I think it's important. I highly suspect there would be a lot more social harmony, or at least much less widespread hatred, if Muslims weren't dressed up as a national enemy for the past 15 years. Religion is irrelevant.
Anyway this has totally digressed. My point was that religion as a 'thing' is poitnless, it's a joke cult community that certain people like to play in. The UK has only one set of laws, which everyone must follow. If Islam make-believers end up embroiled in their Islam problems, they know full well that they can walk into their nearest police station or solicitors and complain about it. As far as I'm aware, the UK legal system has never been altered to cater for Sharia tendencies in any way, and so my point is proven, Islam is irrelevant. |
See my point above about the IRA bombing campaign. It's people like you turning it into something it isn't (Islamophobia/an attack on all Muslims) that are fostering deep divisions  |
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| Lord Percy wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
Exactly. China China China must be rife with Islam.
List of Islamic terror attacks in China China China...
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Shut up you div.
China's operating a deliberate and some say brutal policy aimed at eradicating or forced-assimilating the Uighur population into Han culture. Most Uighurs consider themselves to be from East Turkistan, not China. A lot ascribe to ISIS style Islam. Burkas are banned. So is mid-day prayer.
Because of this, western China has undergone plenty of bombings and uprisings. Urumqi is caked with machine gun nests, armed police, crash barriers and X-ray bag scanners which I saw for myself. It's a literal police-city.
I spoke to a girl working at a hostel in Kashgar (a city even further west) who told me that the place has bombings and riots all the time. The only reason people aren't aware is because the government keeps it quiet.
You have no idea about the world.
Anyway I digress. Islam isn't the problem. Angry people is. Every single 'problem community' the UK (or the west) has ever seen has had a motivation to do what they did, normally a revenge motive. You carry on believing that caliphate bollocks though. How many years have idiots like you been believing that trope? I won't hold my breath for the Muslim sharia law invasion death brigade to happen because I absolutely guarantee it won't. |
When Islam isn’t an issue where you live, stop dictating to us you pretentious prick.
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