Find me a 50

[struan80]

Hiya,

My nephew turns 16 soon and he would like any 50cc bike/scooter that moves. I am going to get him it for his 16th birthday, lucky little twat, I never even got a Raleigh Grifter when I was that age.

I need some help in identifying such a bike/scooter as I know nothing sure about them. Can you guys do a search for one in South Scotland and very North of England to identify a suitable piece of engineering masterpiece?

Thanks very much.

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[struan80]

Really as cheap as possible secondhand that has a years mot or close to.

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[Pjay]

https://www.gumtree.com/p/gilera-motorbikes/gilera-dna-50cc-motorbike-/1322543673
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[M.C]

Yeah that's 'appreciating classic' money I think they're the coolest 50/twist and go out there but it depends how much poon-tang the OP wants his nephew to get.

[linuxyeti]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zontis-Tiger-50cc/401667988896?hash=item5d85471da0:g:8H4AAOSwV3dcHlsQ:rk:28:pf:0


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lexmoto-WY-50-QT-111-FM-50cc-scooter/382670392582?hash=item5918eecd06:i:382670392582

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vespa-ET2-50cc-2001-17k-Miles-reliable-learner-auto-serviced-with-a-new-mot/153292932684?hash=item23b0f8864c:g:qSkAAOSwiOxcCVDO

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-Vivacity-3-50cc-sport-line-moped-only-5000-miles/183599159320?hash=item2abf5cd818:g:9S4AAOSwb15cHiHk:rk:27:pf:0

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-V-CLIC-50CC-4-STROKE-SCOOTER-2012-VGC-12-MONTHS-MOT/202540534836?hash=item2f285b4c34:g:d1sAAOSwKM1cCpiC:rk:42:pf:0

Bit far though perhaps? Also, personally speaking, I'd be wary of a 2nd hand 50, or 125 for that matter
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[Teflon-Mike]

Before splurging cash on a 50, that is barely as quick as a half-fit kid on a push bike, check out the likely price of insurance on, well, any thing!... Then compare how much it would cost to ticket up a 50, 'now' compared to a 125 in a years time.

If the funds is tight to get him a worthy 50, for the cost of getting one to road, it is likely a lot more prudent to give him a year and chuck budget at a 125.... and or put your attentions into helping him get CBT, and if you want to get along with your inlaws, getting him through A1 tests ASAP after, rather than leaving him to wally about on L's for however long to never.

I got No1 unson a C50 for his 16th... almost decade & half ago, even then it cost as more to insure it as to buy it..... pricing up for daughter when she was coming up 16, less than half a decade back, it was just Stoooopid... they wanted as much to insure a T&G 50 for her as they did for Snowie and me to insure three bikes and a car between us! It was something like £1000 pa... plus charges if you took 'the monthly plan'!!!

If you gave him a 50 he couldn't afford to buy himself, you MIGHT not be favourite uncle very long, when he goes to try get it legal to ride... or dont bother, and plod bring him home to ma&pa, and you is in the chit-house for encouraging him!!!

I'd keep cash in the bank, and if I did anything, help him tog up for and do his CBT, and see if he actually takes to two wheels..... and if fired with enough enthusiasm he'll do most of it for himself, if not you'd be wasting your time and money anyway.

If he's enthusiastic enough... some help and guidance may be useful, but... I'd let HIM do the leg work, and go find the bikes HE thinks are worth buying.... and merely offer the 'lift' to go look, and the second eye to look it over, and hopefully keep enthusiasm in check before he blow his wad on the first thing that make strimmer noises.
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[linuxyeti]

Ok, I agree with Tef, in that it would be good to get your nephew to see, sit on, and if possible try, a scooter and/or a geared bike, to see what he may prefer.. I don't agree, obviously, that he should wait another year, if the want, willingness/need is already there.

Did the same for my nephew, got him through his cbt, and, sourced him a Direct Bikes 50cc scooter, still has it 18 months down the line, even though, he could move to a 125, uses it practically everyday for college, going to his mates, McD's KFC etc, he's even been on the last 2 Xmas Birmingham toy runs with it..

My daughter tried the scooter, and decided she wanted to have gears from the offset, hence the Mash 50 Roadstar for her. Both of them love their respective scooter/bike's, nephew has decided he want to finance to theory, mod1 & mod2 before upgrading to a 125, which to be fair, he does need to pull his finger out and get a shift on, but it's up to him. My daughter on the other hand, has already chose what 125 she wants !! Kids eh?

Oh, nephew is on his 2nd year of insurance, having gained 1 years ncb, it's good to start gaining your ncb as early as possible.. Perhaps, Tef should have shopped around for insurance, we paid £400 for my daughter, and, I think the nephew paid less than that from the start...
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[Stalk]

Got my girls s pair of 80s Honda sh 50's. Dirt cheap, Honda reliability, big wheels. Just as quick as modern stuff. One daughter phoned us when she managed to get a 30 mph speed sigh to flash as she was doing almost 33!
And importantly they where £380 to insure.
However it must be said that first girl paid £380. Second girl got quote, left it a while, and as it got nearer the time did a requote which was far more expensive. Kept on checking on a weekly basis and suddenly after about 6 weeks it went back to £380. First girl started riding in February, second started in December. Don't know if this would effect insurance

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[stevo as b4]

Same old shit from me, but does OP's nephew have any urgent transportation issues that requires a need for a bike that he can't wait a year until age 17 for?

Getting a kid a 50cc just because they talk about bikes, have done some happy pillion trips, and because you want to buy them a cool present from fave uncle isn't really enough of a reason IMO to make a 50cc purchase vital or life changing.

I also agree with TM that if you buy something that they can't then afford to insure, run or maintain then you could easily be seen as the bad guy for giving them something that'll be no real use to them, or that will get them into trouble if they attempt to ride it illegally. Its almost expected by kids today that if you provide something for them, then you have to also provide the means to use and enjoy it. For example a shiny new motocross or trials bike is of fuck all use to a teenager living in an inner city with no access to places to ride or parental transport to get there. In such cases a new PS4 and the latest games might often be a far better gift and much more appreciated and enjoyed etc.

If the 16yr old maybe has a job, or goes to college in a place or a route that's poorly served by public transport then sure a 50cc vehicle might be a huge help, and massively appreciated or even allowing said 16yr to double earning potential or have an active social life etc etc.

Otherwise a bus or rail season ticket might be a far better gift if their transport needs are well served by it.

The 125 at age 17 thing is so much more versatile for someone that:

1, needs a transport solution for A-B and learning or earning.

2, Has some interest in riding a bike or saving money for more important stuff that generation is going to struggle to afford.

3, Has realised that the realistic affording of learning to drive and running a car at least for a couple of years is going to be very hard, and expensive and unless they get ££££'s in financial support from family will be just about impossible for several years.

Final point is that 15bhp motorbike is a useful machine and can do anything really in transport terms, so a good one could be seen as a long term ownership plan even if in a few years cash and a car licence become attainable. Its old fashioned thinking, but keeping your old 125 bike as a back up transport tool, sunny weather commuter in busy traffic, or as a way to limit the running costs of owning a car are all valid points IMO.

Oh yeah and who ever says " fuck me the worst mistake I ever made in life was keeping my first motorbike for years after id learned to drive"

[M.C]

We'll probably disagree on this Stevo but IMO mopeds are only semi-lethal in cities which normally have ok public transport. If you live in an area with no decent public transport it'll likely be rural, and a restricted moped on NSL roads would be truly terrifying.

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[stevo as b4]

The man talks sense!

But being a wanker, what if your say 5-6mile trip to work/college etc is on NSL roads, but the route there is almost entirely on single track county lanes that are quiet because most people will use longer main road/dual carriageway routes, instead of risking getting stuck behind farmer Freds muckspreader at 20mph for 5miles?

I'd ride an unrestricted 50cc in the town I live in which has plenty of 40mph ring roads, or down the quiet lanes but yeah busy stop start traffic, lots of changeable speed limits, and roads 40,50mph+ then fuck that I'm out.

You'd be surprised, but if nearly all my daily commute was 60-70mph roads, and in rush hour well I wouldn't really want a 125 either, but I accept they can get you places.

I've had rides in hilly roads in Wales with luggage on a 60bhp 500 and found I'm sometimes needing 100% of performance a bit too often even, but far less so than on a 125.

I could have used more torque if not bhp when riding 620miles to France in a day, and for travelling down that big long country in total comfort then 150bhp and a big comfy fairing and screen sounds like a nice way to travel to me.

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[struan80]

Thanks for all your input guys. The sensible decision is to wait until he's seventeen, but I don't really do sensible.

This is only 10 miles away from me and it's not chinese. I'm waiting on getting an email about what's wrong with the brakes.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/yamaha-motorbikes/2013-yamaha-aerox-50cc/1324464527

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[ScottT]

Thousands of people pedal to work every day, anything that can be done on a push bike can be done easier on a moped.
Cant understand all the comments about waiting till he's 17, as soon as he hits 17 he'll want a car. Anyone thats spend a year on a moped will be a far better car driver than the ones that jump straight into a car at 17, if everyone had to ride a moped for a year before taking their car test the roads would be a lot safer for all of us.

[Teflon-Mike]

I was just trying to think back.... its a big 'back' BUT I didn't have to convert prices form pounds, shillings and pence, before any-one casts nastersions.....

I THINK that my first insurance policy on a moped, cost me a WOPPING £25... which, when pondering the daft prices kids get quoted stooopid these days, seems rather good.... until I think, "Yeah! But I only paid a fiver for the frigging BIKE!!!"

Which is a bit more skew... I got in in some argy-bargy play-ground swapsies, and the fiver, I think was pretty notional.... thing was an utter wreck, and I thunked it 'might' make bit of a project to do up for my 16th..... then Grandad got a bit enthusiastic about the thing....

You know, I was about 26, a decade on, when my Grandad had a senior moment, and hopping mad.... he had just stubbed his toe... on a Moped Motor!!!! Blamed me, and demanded WHAT I was going to do with this effin-scrap, and When....

It one of the few times I actually recall him admitting being in the wrong, because I reminded him, HE had put the effin-moped-motor he'd stubbed his toe on, next to the freezer.... because.... when it was totalled by a twit in a Triumph, and subsequently written off by the insurance co.... HE had made mutterings about the gear-box, which he reckoned would work well on his lathe.....

THIS little revalation, DID make me reconsider an awful lot of his motives when I was trying to get the thing road worthy when I was 15/16/17.... yers... it took a LITTLE longer than planned! A completely crappered motor and a snapped frame, an exhaust made of old central heating plumbing, did NOT help much before the Trumpet hit me! However.....

Pops, had found me in the kitchen one week-end, pondering wiring diagrams and a zenner diode, with a Sammy-Miller enduro lighting kit..... and was NOT impressed by my wire twist connections..... which was when he got all enthusiastic.... and dug out an old cotton bound book called "Tuning The two-Stroke Engine for Speed" full of pictures of Villiers lawn-mower motors.... and got me filing down warped Hilman-Imp cylinder heads, so he could mix the aluminium filings with araldite and fill my crank-cases with the gloop, to raise the primary compression.....

With the benefit of HINDSIGHT, I 'think' I may have been being sabotaged! Actually I was pretty suspicious at the time, if I recall! Ruddy thing kept popping crank-case seals!!! Yers... well, it DID sort of prove that Pops HAD got the primary compression up, as intended!!!

But, I think It would have been a bit blatent, had he not helped 'fix' the problem (he made!!!) showing me the fan-belt driven lathe, he thought the gearbox might be good for.... turning down a couple of large washers to screw down over the crank-seal and hold them in place..... "See I have to keep turning it off, and moving the belts when I go from cutting the inner diameter to the outer.... THIS is why a gearbox, I could do it just by shifting a lever, on the run, would be good...." Lol!

I think, by the time the thing made it to the road, I had stopped counting the cost when they exceeded £250... probably when yet another set of crank-case seals was ordered! Lol! But still....

I Seem to recall, that a brand new DT50MX was something like £599, at the time... a Thomas, pedal and pop, in woolies, £199, OTR! A £25 insurance premium WAS not exactly 'peanuts'.... B-U-T it was still sort of 1/10th the price of a bike... ANY bike (that could pass an MOT!).... not like these days, when the premium is likely to be 'undreds, if not more, and on a cheap-heap chink with a freyed variator belt, many, many times what the bike's worth....

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