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FFS, every telescope on earth was pointed at the moon for the landings. Do you think people couldn't actually see with their own eyes the space craft going there and returning.
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I always wondered about that and why it's not brought up more often.
Could it be that the actual landing site was out of sight from Earth and all we could see was the module the lander departed from still in orbit?
I have no doubts they went there and back, but for me the jury is still out on whether they actually set foot on it, wandered about and took off again. Surely there should be some pretty close up images of the abandoned rover, with the modern telescopes we have now, not just some faint, distant tyre tracks? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Sorry, those are crap and exactly what I'm talking about. We have satellites which have been way closer than that. We've had orbiters going so close, you should be able to pick up clear images of all the abandoned equipment, not just distant dots. I really can't believe that over 50 years later, this is the best we can do. We have close up images of rocks on Mars, yet little tiny dots on the moon's surface.
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Sorry, those are crap and exactly what I'm talking about. We have satellites which have been way closer than that. We've had orbiters going so close, you should be able to pick up clear images of all the abandoned equipment, not just distant dots. I really can't believe that over 50 years later, this is the best we can do. We have close up images of rocks on Mars, yet little tiny dots on the moon's surface. |
Eh? You're wrong. The LRO mission involved low polar orbits at 50km from the lunar surface. The only other satellites are the two artemis missions which aren't imagers and a Chinese command module for a rover on the surface, again not an imager. The resolution that the LRO has achieved is excellent as shown by the Apollo 11 image below complete with scale:
https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zcGFjZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzAxNS84MzQvb3JpZ2luYWwvYXBvbGxvLTExLW1vb24tbGFuZGluZy1zaXRlLmpwZw==
You have to remember how small the landers and equipment are in proportion to the overall scale of the images taken. These are superb images - the overall mission was designed to produce images for mapping the surface in fine detail for possible future robotic and manned missions.
mpd72 CPT wrote: | Quote: | pretty close up images of the abandoned rover, with the modern telescopes we have now, not just some faint, distant tyre tracks? |
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There are no telescopes on the Earth that are capable of even matching this degree of resolution on such a small scale relative to the distance involved. That's simple optics/physics.
Honestly, critical thinking is fine but dogged scepticism/conspiracy acceptance on the basis of no credible scientific evidence is just stupid. |
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Pjay wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | Sorry, those are crap and exactly what I'm talking about. We have satellites which have been way closer than that. We've had orbiters going so close, you should be able to pick up clear images of all the abandoned equipment, not just distant dots. I really can't believe that over 50 years later, this is the best we can do. We have close up images of rocks on Mars, yet little tiny dots on the moon's surface. |
Google is your friend. There are plenty of pictures of debris on the moon.
The trouble is people just call foul and say they are doctored pics.
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/584637main_apollo12-left-670.jpg
There is heaps of proof, the mirrors for example. |
More tiny dots needing explanation.
Come on, why not show one of these close up shots then? I can see the types of car parked on my drive from Google Earth using Earth satellites, yet the best the governments and space agencies can do from all the various landers, satellites and orbiters around a much smaller moon, is a load of dots not much different from I can see from a Dobsonian telescope in the garden, on a picture with arrows telling us what they're meant to be?
Doesn't seem right some how.
Here you go, here's one I made earlier...
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I'm surprised that 50 years on from apparently landing man on the moon, the best images we have from above the surface is a load of dots telling us what the dots are meant to be.
If the bloke who owns Tesla can propel a car well into space with a dummy sitting in it, sending high res colour photo's and videos of the view from car in space, back to Earth, it seems odd this is all we can do for the moon surface with no atmosphere and hardly any gravity.
All we have to go on are the 50 year old photo's with dubious editing evidence.
What do we have back from the Chinese lander so far, other than a shrivelled leaf? That seemed an odd experiment. We have a pretty good idea what the temperatures are in space, so why did they need to send a seedling all that way to find out that they don't do well when the temperature is well over a hundred degree below freezing? Even insulated, there would have been no heat source. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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How does that make a difference? Why have we never had orbiters or craft orbiting the moon within 20,000ft?
It has no atmosphere and very little gravity, so you'd like to have thought we could have mapped the much smaller moon's surface with a bit more like the detail we can map the entire surface of planet Earth to. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Wheeesht... you. Let the man dig.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 92 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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