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Polarbear
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now, I do know a couple of blokes that are just like most of us, but ride Harley's, hence the "Most part" caveat. But they built them themselves. No Glitzy bolt-on's and tat from a catalogue, they actually cut/welded/moved what they could, and farmed out the specialist stuff (Powder coating, paint etc). One is pretty old (Panhead? I know fuck all about them). They ride them. Yeah, they're cleaned, but not anally so. One bloke puts about 10K a year on his, and it's a hardtail, so fair play to him.

That sounds even further away from my motorcycling paradigm -they've chosen expensive and not very good-handling motorcycles and spent a lot of time intentionally making them worse for the sake of looks. Then doggedly puts loads of miles on it, when a GPZ500s would probably be all-over a much nicer experience.


Is that much different from a power ranger who buys the latest Jap race rep and wobbles round corners on an uncomfortable highly strung bike he can't ride well ? He's done it to be seen as much as to get pleasure from riding it.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no issues with bike snobs, as long as they're being snobs. Snobs are usually living their life on credit, and they've got to hold it all together in their heads somehow. Take someone who has all the hallmarks of snobbery: a new rider; has bought a super racebike of some sort, is young, is in a riding club of weekend warriors, takes a LOT of pictures, etc. Wouldn't you rather they exhibited snobbery towards your tweaked-to-suit GPZ500 or ratty 125 than actually engaged with you from a mistaken belief in their own superiority (i.e. as is typical for the sort, they believe you're the noob, and the only reason you're running an older bike is because you're poor)? I mean, imagine you own your house, etc. and you're going for a bimble on your "poor man" bike. An insurance broker in his 20s, in new race leathers with an 1100-something he uses to do his 40-mile journeys to the cafe on PCP, young child and mortgage to pay, comes up to you and starts up a conversation. It starts with his assuming you're a truck driver and ends with him asking what kind of licence you've got... Ugly. Better if he just didn't nod and fucked off from the outset.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think people should worry less about what other people are doing and saying and mind their own business, on both sides.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my GSXR because I liked the looks and the one I was loaned a few years back was fantastic.

I'd buy anything and ride it, only thing I really can't 'get' is cruisers... but I've never had real time on one and thought the one I rode was proper sluggish and I felt very tight on it, didn't feel I could relax as it felt turd.

I wouldn't really judge anyone based on bikes, maybe in jest when EazyDuz turned up on his viagra535, but its just a mode of transport at the end of the day..
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Is that much different from a power ranger who buys the latest Jap race rep and wobbles round corners on an uncomfortable highly strung bike he can't ride well ? He's done it to be seen as much as to get pleasure from riding it.

They are at least getting a bike that will be incredibly easy to ride - where it's their own fear that's the limiting factor.
These bikes will at least rider much more easily than the aforementioned GPZ.
(I don't think there's really been (m)any hard-to ride sports bikes for a decade and a half or so - and even then, they weren't too bad.)
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it’s great when we take the piss out of each other’s bikes, the problem comes when someone is genuinely unpleasant about someone else’s bike.

But as has been said throughout this thread, bollox to them Thumbs Up

Oh and by the way, Power Rangers are faggots Thumbs Up Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power rangers describes the group who ignored me perfectly. I've never heard the description before - wetting myself with laughter!!
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snobbery is a people thing firstly and less of a bike thing. I actually really like it when someone buys something they've saved for and are dead proud of and bigs it up. Even if in the grand scheme of things or judged by much more higher aspirations their bike/car is fairly ordinary. Its nice to see people with realistic dream bikes and also being Impressed with say a 400 Ninja and not a ZX10R BSB Ohlins edition etc.

Same with cars when someone says "My new Fiesta Zetec sport is brilliant and don't half go" instead of saying it about an A45AMG black edition etc.

But then sometimes it's also nice to lose the rose tinted specs and for someone more critical or used of better/more modern etc, to say "An RD350LC is slow shit and wobbly and not very impressive at all"

Best thing to do is like what you like and own/ride it end of!
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Is that much different from a power ranger who buys the latest Jap race rep and wobbles round corners on an uncomfortable highly strung bike he can't ride well ? He's done it to be seen as much as to get pleasure from riding it.


Hugely. It takes a decently high level of skill (that I don't have) to hustle a hardtail in the way he, and a few others, do.

He's done it because when he was a kid, those were the pictures and movies he was influenced by. Swedish chops were the thing. The same reason that I like 90's Sports (916) and muscle bikes (V-Max), it's what I had on my wall in my teens & owned or rode in my 20's. That's also when I first 'got' Rats. I genuinely don't know anyone that gives less of a fuck about what others think of him or his bikes. It's refreshing.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I had a sports bike and looked down my nose at cruisers. Now I have a cruiser and down my nose at sports bikes. When I eventually try out a scooter I'll look down my nose at all bikers.

But I just dislike everyone.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
Power rangers describes the group who ignored me perfectly. I've never heard the description before - wetting myself with laughter!!


It's been around a while The born again Harley set, who ride 4 miles (each way!!) every Saturday to the local meeting place, with all the branded gear, inc tassels, and then ride home to polish the shiny bits, get referred to as Chromosexuals, at least around where I live they do.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calling someone a Power Ranger is a compliment but calling some Chromoesexual is just showing how intolerant and prejudice you are!! Crying or Very sad

BCF is a safe space where such bigotry isn't welcome.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 06 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I proudly catagorise bikes and bikers in a Yammie Noob style, however the important thing is to remember that there's always exceptions to the rule and thus I wouldn't immediately write someone off as 'not a proper biker' or 'having a rubbish bike' just because of a surface judgement.

As for snobbery that's happend to me, it was kind of annoying when some garages would look down on my "unreliable Chinese" Sym Wolf; not just because it's sterotyping but also because it's just plain incorrect. Sym isn't Chinese and the Wolf was actually pretty reliable.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I quickly wanna get out the way, I reckon the only thing that separates bikers is how they ride, not what they ride. Including scooters. How much of a fanny would you look if you talked shit about scooter riders and then a honking fast scooter rider went round the outside of you in the lanes when you were gunning it?

I guess everyone has their own clique of riders they associate themselves with and call "real bikers".

For me it's people who "send it" in country lanes & are down for a few trackdays, cause that's what I like to do and that's my pace.

Anyone quicker than me I see as dangerous and anyone slower than me I see as boring but that's because of my own limits.

There are probably infinity riders faster than me who wouldn't want to ride with me because I'm slow compared to them, and infinity riders who would call me an organ donor based on how I ride, and both of those groups I could easily call "snobbish".

Side note, I half fell off the right side of my s1k tonight getting my knee down off a roundabout exit because my foot slipped, anyone want to ride with me? Dance!

Idk if my mentality is built for longevity but this is what I find fun and anything less is kind of boring, anything more is kind of dangerous, and anyone who doesn't include me or join me must be a snob.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You failed at a bit of roundabout kneedown but think real bikers are those who are down for trackdays? Laughing

Sir, it's time for you to retire from this biking thing before you embarrass yourself by ending up in the kitty litter . Razz
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Bike snobbery Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Hmmm? Some people disappoint me and they’re bikers?

I was talking to some people I know about bikes.
They all have large modern bikes: ie a large MV, a GSXR 750, ZX9r, A TDM 850 and I can’t remember the other two.
They spoke about power commanders, re-mapping, carbon wheels and so on.

They were okay with the fact I have a ZX6R.
However as soon as I mentioned, British, Chinese, older/vintage, or smaller cc bikes , they turned their noses up.
We all have different views of what floats our boat, but their derisory attitude towards anything not large cc exotica was appalling.
I had the same thing when I did LE-JOG, when some twat on a large Adventure bike looked down his nose at my mighty little Hyosung GT250R and made snotty comments about Chinese shit bikes being in the same place as ‘proper adventure bikes’ Rolling Eyes



Does the fact that you ride an old Ariel or a R3 rather than a 750cc+ bike mean that you’re not a ‘proper biker’ ?
Personally I think that if you enjoy being on two wheels, then good for you and you are a biker of some form or other.


What do you consider to be a ‘biker’


Naive and ignorant, as simple as that.

You should have corrected the guy going on the rant about the gt250r and Chinese bikes by simply stating.....”but it’s Korean” Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You failed at a bit of roundabout kneedown but think real bikers are those who are down for trackdays? Laughing

Sir, it's time for you to retire from this biking thing before you embarrass yourself by ending up in the kitty litter . Razz


LOL fair point and I did laugh at myself. My foot legit slipped though that's the only reason Laughing - in my defence I'm aiming for elbow down in summer because knee down has become a casual arrangement. I also want a fat picture of it on a trackday because narcissism. (Cue +1 to the 2019 summer spill counter.)

I sort of wish I filmed it. It's the second time it's happened. The first time was on the R6 in a McDonald's carpark. I don't know why I do these things either.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Bike snobbery Reply with quote

Wull wrote:
...”but it’s Korean” Laughing


I didn’t get a chance to debate with him after I called him a dickhead and told him to piss off Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a Harley, it's pretty rubbish but I like it, isn't that all that matters?
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 07 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
I've got a Harley, it's pretty rubbish but I like it, isn't that all that matters?

https://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=41745,filename=HarleyFags.jpg
Laughing

I don't get all the hate for Harleys over here, with the US sure, as every time an American mentions motorbikes they seem to mean a Harley Davidson Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similarly to Johnny the Fox, I have a Harley ... but also a Jap bike as well. It never ceases to surprise me the amount of people can't cope with the idea of having both.

It's even more mystifying to many of them that I bought [a succession of] Jap bikes over the year, eventually bought the Sportster, AND THEN I went out and bought another damn Jap bike Laughing

(although it was more about (a) the thrill of riding it back from Milan and (b) proving half of BCF wrong - which caused me to buy that particular bike Laughing )
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

#Metoo. I've got a Harley Softail and a Triumph Speed Triple.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: biker Reply with quote

i have'nt read the whole thread as short on time today, but the bmw brigade such wear their party badge!!

Motorcyclists use their bikes in all weathers, yes even snow.....

The sunny weekend biker lot are tossers usually, very afraid of having their chrome bikes getting wet and watching them dissolve.....

Its a british thing, if the "bike" wont do a ton opr more its junk.....

A chinky 125 is not crap amd very liberating to the chinky peasant, you will have seen c90's out in the far east, a kid on the mud guard, a kid on the handle bars, a kid between the dads legs, the wife on the back ( holding a kid ) and a bed on the carrier !
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe because I'm new to biking, but I really don't get the whole snobbery thing. We're all bikers, whether we're running a smoking 50cc scooter or a superbike. I think it's a bit unfair when people look down their noses at someone's bike; you never know someone's circumstances, someone's low-value older machine might be their pride and joy that they lovingly look after and is all they can afford. Or it might be someone's first bike, a hack or whatever, and it's the start of someone's motorcycling journey - snobbery isn't exactly going to welcome them into the world of biking.

So far I've fortunately not received any snobbery really and had people on really rather lovely machines chat to me on my battered ER5, although it is winter so maybe when I'm out in the summer I'll see a different reaction from those who hibernate over the cold season!
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
We're all bikers

Lots of people don't care in the slightest about that, they just enjoy riding motorbikes. They don't identify as a biker, they ride motorcycles and that's all there is to it.

Those who do care about being a biker all have their own niche definitions.
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