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Sounds like you need a Scottoiler. |
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What bike/Chain type?
O or X ring chains have a seal on the rollers to keep factory fitted grease between the roller and the pin; in theory they are sealed for life and dont need much if any real lube... all chucking oil at them is going to do is 'maybe' give a bit of grease between the roller and the sprocket,when the link of the chain is picked up by the sprocket, that is intended to wear out anyway, and help it wear out a bit quicker sticking grit to the chain to act as grinding past.
On a plain link chain, as used on a light-weight, usually cheaper 125's, dirt bikes and competition track-bikes; there's no seal between the roller and the pin or plates... but for lube to be any use, it has to get past that end-plate between the roller and pin, to be any good....
Squirty can lubes use solvents.... often not very good for rubber seals, if an O or X ring.... but that solvent has to dissolve the grease, carry it through the tiny gaps into the space between roller and pin... and then evaporate off.... if the solvents good, then the lube should be pretty thin, and creep between roller and pin... but, if its too good, its likely to take that lube with it when it bludgers off.... if its not so good? Well, it probably wont carry much grease with it, and it probably wont get it anywhere very useful..... all you'll do is put a nice sticky layer on the outside of the rollers to gather grit and make a grinding past to wear out sprockets.
Pays your money and takes your choice.......
Old fashioned ways about, on plain, non seal chains, was to hot dip in axle grease. Works well TBH, but you have to be pretty meticulous about cleaning, or you are just flushing the grit that wears out the sprockets into the links to wear out the pins and rollers.....
Old engine oil? Hm,mmm... its come out of an engine, where its been cooked by the engine heat a few times, and collected up all the swarf from metal on metal rubbing bearings, as they wear out.... which is WHY you took it out the engine to begin with.... Gives it a nice head start to turn into grinding past on the sprockets and chain, I suppose... but, err... it IS sort of like suggesting using dirty washing up water to rince your hair!
Key either which way about, is to be careful about chain and sprocket cleaning, before you use lube, then if its a ring-seal chain avoiding solvent based lubes that might damage the seal, and just using enough lube to give a little for pick up on the sprockets, and hope your cleaning is good enough to get rid of any accumulation of grinding paste. On non-ring plain chain; you want the lube to flow twixt roller and pin, and pre-boiled treacle like used engine oil, carrying a nice grinding paste with it, probably isn't going to flow too well, and be rather like the stuff you have just cleaned out.... with metal swarf added!
Your call... but it's not an idea that carries a lot of merit if you think about it.... ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Posted: 23:01 - 06 Jan 2019 Post subject: Re: Opinions on used engine oil as chain lube... |
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: |
........n. As stevo says a scott oiler -
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Tutoro auto oiler, with gear oil is what I mainly use, but as I also have a chain saw, if I run out of gear oil, I use the chainsaw oil, far cheaper than a scott oiler, keeps the chain in tip top condition, bit fiddly to get the flow to your liking initially..
Any fling off is easy to clean off with, wd40, gt85 or paraffin, and probably numerous other products ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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You'd be surprised how little rocket science is applied to rocket science....
We developed missile guidance systems with bits of string and sticky tape.... scissors? You got teeth aint-cha!?
We once played after hours curling with a couple of the cleaners brooms and a control module down the main corridor after every-one else had gone home, one night, and I had to write up the report that made it sound like we did something sensible!
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kramdra wrote: | The fling is the main advantage, it cleans the chain. You do not want a thick, sticky paste. |
Couple of things. First, my concern with thin lubricant like 10w40 is that it simply runs off and/or flings off, before it's been around long enough to do any decent lubrication. Secondly, yes - that's true. A thick, sticky paste is imo a bad idea. The way to avoid this if EP90 is going to be used is simply to clean the chain once or twice a week (assuming several hundred miles per week, and 95% fairly dry conditions). Ime, effective chain cleaning needn't involve any more than getting the rear wheel off the ground, spinning it while squirting paraffin / WD / diesel etc. at it. Next, grip chain lightly with some blu-roll or kitchen roll etc. and spin the wheel so the chain passes through the paper a few times. Next apply lubricant - I've had best results with EP90 but whatever. I do agree that your use of 10w40 would be just as effective - however I would anticipate getting a fair amount of fling over the rear tyre's near-side wall. This I would want to be removing with clean-ish rags doused with terps, and maybe also a fresh green scouring sponge with detergent on it.
So - what I'd have saved in not spending on EP90 I would have to off-set against spend on stuff to keep tyre wall clean. Secondly, I'd also not be gaining much in the way of time saved. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Don't use acetone to clean your o-ring or x-ring chain. It will knacker the rubber seals.
Paraffin is fine.
Used engine oil is also fine. It's used, but it was also constantly filtered through a paper element and removed while still in an adequately good state for lubricating the pressure-fed plain bearings inside my 12000rpm, 100bhp sports bike. I'm pretty sure there's still enough slipperiness left in it to lube my chain for half an hour. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 108 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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