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Truth is about 95% of blokes THINK they're the best driver in the world whether they outwardly say it or not, and probably about 25-50% of women cos they tend to be less arrogant.
Difference is I actually KNOW I am.
Is there a tongue-in-cheek emoticon???
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Things that this guy is saying aren't adding up!
Think it might be someone on the wind-up.... 
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Oh wait, I think I've found the tongue-in-cheek emoticon.
Is this it?
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Thanks for your input. I am thinking very carefully, that's why I'm on here asking for advice when I'm still at least a couple of months away from my purchase. Yep currently pottering around on a 10bhp YBR (although I've recently spent nearly £1,000 on tuning it to get it up to 10bhp!). Yes that's correct, that's not a typo', it's now still only 10bhp LOL.
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I think the remark(s) from people/me about 100bhp being enough, is that while you might feel that you had felt the limit (or at least, feel you could see it) on the bike you were learning on, I suspect in reality you were a long way away from it, as indeed are most riders (which is why people who crash when they loose it more often than not do so because they panic as they think the bike can't do what it'll take).
Forums are great for "in-articulating" concepts . . . what may come across (from anyone) as patronising isn't necessarily intended that way. From my point of view, I think there's more value in learning your craft on something more humble then once you've honed your skills, that would be the point to progress to something more powerful (if you still felt the need to).
FWIW, the bikes you were talking about originally would (pun intended) run four rings around your Audi . . . it'd be a spec in your mirrors in no time. That's how fast they are. The difference is, in the Audi if you plant your right foot, it doesn't matter what gear you're in or probably even if it's wet or not, it'll accelerate without drama - do the same on the bikes you're on about and it is likely to have a very different (and more painful) outcome.
It's your choice ultimately, but I would still suggest something pretty "moderate" to start with; you can always upgrade at a later date. Power is almost never the limiting factor when riding on the roads once you're over 50bhp or so.
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| ThunderGuts wrote: | I think the remark(s) from people/me about 100bhp being enough, is that while you might feel that you had felt the limit (or at least, feel you could see it) on the bike you were learning on, I suspect in reality you were a long way away from it, as indeed are most riders (which is why people who crash when they loose it more often than not do so because they panic as they think the bike can't do what it'll take).
Forums are great for "in-articulating" concepts . . . what may come across (from anyone) as patronising isn't necessarily intended that way. From my point of view, I think there's more value in learning your craft on something more humble then once you've honed your skills, that would be the point to progress to something more powerful (if you still felt the need to).
FWIW, the bikes you were talking about originally would (pun intended) run four rings around your Audi . . . it'd be a spec in your mirrors in no time. That's how fast they are. The difference is, in the Audi if you plant your right foot, it doesn't matter what gear you're in or probably even if it's wet or not, it'll accelerate without drama - do the same on the bikes you're on about and it is likely to have a very different (and more painful) outcome.
It's your choice ultimately, but I would still suggest something pretty "moderate" to start with; you can always upgrade at a later date. Power is almost never the limiting factor when riding on the roads once you're over 50bhp or so. |
That's really helpful, thank you. I will take that on board. But with regards to the remarks about the Audi that Bhud conveniently took out of context... That wasn't thrown in there to try and make it look like "yeah I can handle powerful machines cos I drive a 476bhp Audi so I must be able to handle one of these bikes". I know that's what Bhud made it look like. It was in actual fact referring the the insurance premium on that vehicle. My view was that, given that bike insurance tends to be a lot lower than car insurance for comparable machines (i.e. compare a YBR to a Fiesta and the YBR insurance will be much less, compare a 500cc bike to a Mondeo and the bike insurance will be much less, compare a 1.0 litre bike to a 6.0 litre Audi and the bike insurance will be far less). I was using it as a comparison... I.e. if the insurance on my Audi is affordable I'm sure the insurance on a high performance bike can't be THAT expensive, yes it will be expensive relatively speaking but will it be unaffordable? I doubted it. I then done my research and proved I was right. Of course I know full well those bikes will run rings round my Audi. STOP PATRONISING ME I'M VERY SENSITIVE!!! Damn where's that tongue-in-cheek emoticon again???!!!
Without test riding anything I THINK I'm pretty set on an adventure style bike. Even if I do what you say and go for a smaller one say a 600 to 800 or something but I like the look of that BMW!
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Also I have noticed that the adventure bikes of similar displacement to their sports tourer counterparts tend to be lower power and torque anyway...
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Sorry to come back to this one but it's grating on me LOL. As if recognising one's strengths somehow makes you arrogant and overconfident, and therefore actually not as good as you thought you were? Nah it is actually possible to recognise your own strengths without going round doing what you think you're good at carelessly and therefore doing it less well... If that makes any sense... Which I don't think it does... If your intention was to annoy me with that comment congratulations are in order LOL!
SOMEONE has to be in that top 1% but we're just expected to keep quiet about it just to save rubbing the other 99% up the wrong way? Haha. Most could probably beat me round Brands Hatch, I'm not saying that isn't the case, I'm just saying with the sheer number of miles I've done over the past 13 years that has to count for something.
Passed every test I've ever taken first time including both HGV, PSV and motorcycle. Nuff said but of course you're not allowed to say you think you're good at something without someone picking you up on it and calling you arrogant/overconfident... Buuut like I also said when I came out with that comment I was well aware how I was coming across and didn't expect anything less really. |
Recognising your strengths is all well and good, and just because you've taken a few simple tests, you assume that now entitles you to claim to be in the top 1% of drivers. Using what measure, or, have you crayoned up yourself a certificate to say so.. And, no, the number of miles you've racked up over the last 13 years, doesn't count for anything, certainly doesn't mean you are in the top 1% of drivers..
You may well be a good driver, perhaps even an excellent driver, but there is no way you can quantify,qualify or verify that you are indeed in the top 1% of drivers, and the very fact that YOU believe you are is what makes you a danger.
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Hi, im new, very i interested in this thread as I may have just made a huge mistake hehe, I passed my mod1&2 on wednesday
i really like the look of bonnevilles and even harleys so ive been going into lots of shops and sitting on them, I want to commute on the bike I buy and my neighbour has little kids so dont think I should be firing up a loud engine at 6am under their window so in a bit of a quandry over what to buy as my 2nd bike, my first bike was also a ybr but have only had it a month so a very new or noob? Biker.
Im 48 and might be having a mid life crisis but think I am just sick of traffic (1.5 hour to do 11 mile trip home)
So anyway, to my mistake?...
I was looking at bikes at a second hand shop and they had a really cheap nice looking V-strom dl1000, £2500 39k miles, the fella offered me a test ride, oh my god, it was lovely! Like perfect! Im 6’2 16st and fitted me like a glove, like riding on a cloud so I bought it!
Now ive read this thread im kinda crapping myself, just waiting for a new mot to collect, am I toast? Is it possible to take it easy? |
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| linuxyeti wrote: | Recognising your strengths is all well and good, and just because you've taken a few simple tests, you assume that now entitles you to claim to be in the top 1% of drivers. Using what measure, or, have you crayoned up yourself a certificate to say so.. And, no, the number of miles you've racked up over the last 13 years, doesn't count for anything, certainly doesn't mean you are in the top 1% of drivers..
You may well be a good driver, perhaps even an excellent driver, but there is no way you can quantify,qualify or verify that you are indeed in the top 1% of drivers, and the very fact that YOU believe you are is what makes you a danger. |
A few simple tests? Hardly. A lot of commitment and dedication went into it. It's not something anyone could just do on a whim... Well you could just do it on a whim but you'd probably fail continually unless you took it seriously. As much as anything else, one of the main reasons I done them all (other than to give me options for the future) was to see driving prospectives from other types of road users (i.e. lorry drivers, coach drivers, bus drivers, motorcyclists etc.) as I believed that until I'd seen the road from everyone else's prospective I couldn't truly know what it's like for them and the challenges they face on the road, and by gaining this insight to the challenges of other types of road users it would make me a better driver all-round. A few arrogant comments from a couple of lorry drivers "yeah you don't know what it's like driving one of these babies it takes a special sort of person to drive one of these rigs" kinda spurred me on. "Right, I'll show you!". Turns out car drivers have got to be the most ignorant, preoccupied and talentless drivers of all, but that's no surprise. IMHO minicab drivers are some of the worst drivers around whereas black cab drivers are some of the best. But yeah I truly believe I'm a better car driver because of it, because I know and understand the challenges that other types of road users have (except cyclist, we all hate them right?).
Just the other day I glanced in my right wing mirror before indicating to pull out, saw a motorcyclist there (who had just changed lanes from behind another vehicle so wasn't visible to me before) and clearly he wanted to overtake me so I left the indicator alone and waited for his response, he saw me glance in my mirror so hung back waiting for MY response because he was obviously an experienced rider he naturally expected me to just pull out (whether indicating or not) and try to kill him. Saw me glance in the mirror and anticipated I'm a fucking idiot like most other drivers and so done nothing, just waited a moment and hung back before realising that I had seen him so pulled ahead to overtake while giving me a thumbs up, probably thinking "yeah he's a biker". Defensive driving on his part, well both out parts really, which is great, just little things like watching other peoples' head and eye movements through their own rear/wing mirrors will give away their intentions whether they've seen you or not, and as an experienced motorcyclist you'd naturally pick up on these little things anyway. Just giving me a nod to say thanks for not trying to kill him like most others would. "Oh well done Travis, you're so clever you spotted a motorcyclist and didn't try to kill him you must be in the top 1%". I'm not saying that. Just saying from one experienced road user to the other, respect is given both ways.
Another example you're driving along and see a lorry pulling up at a side road to your right hand side who wants to turn left out of it. Most car drivers, even experienced ones been driving 50 years plus, wouldn't necessarily think to slow down or stop before the junction (even though it's your right of way) to give him the room he needs because he'll want to pinch a bit of your side of the road in order to turn out because of the size of his vehicle and the tight bend. Most car drivers, and potentially most motorcyclists too, all they'll be thinking about is their side of the road and the fact they've got priority over it, and so do the next 50 drivers in the queue behind you, meaning that poor lorry driver is waiting there all fucking day. Again, it's just recognising other road users' challenges and giving them a bit of space and respect. The amount of surprised lorry drivers I get the thumbs up from cos I've anticipated their intentions and given them room to make their life easy while not actually hindering my progress either or anyone else behind me, they're thinking "yeah he's a lorry driver" LOL.
Either way, all these driving categories aside, that's not why I was saying that I believe I'm in the top 1%. If you go back and look at the context you'll see it was more to do with the fact that I've got well over a million miles under my belt, probably more than most professional lorry drivers because of the speeds they're restricted to and the driving hours they have to abide by. Certainly more than you're average driver will acquire in a lifetime anyway. If you choose to disagree with that not even knowing me or having ridden with my that's your prerogative. Doesn't bother me in the slightest (it does really, otherwise I wouldn't have written an essay on it), but you can't say it actually makes me a danger just for recognising one's ability. Pardon me for saying but you're full of shit 
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| Andy12345 wrote: | Hi, im new, very i interested in this thread as I may have just made a huge mistake hehe, I passed my mod1&2 on wednesday
i really like the look of bonnevilles and even harleys so ive been going into lots of shops and sitting on them, I want to commute on the bike I buy and my neighbour has little kids so dont think I should be firing up a loud engine at 6am under their window so in a bit of a quandry over what to buy as my 2nd bike, my first bike was also a ybr but have only had it a month so a very new or noob? Biker.
Im 48 and might be having a mid life crisis but think I am just sick of traffic (1.5 hour to do 11 mile trip home)
So anyway, to my mistake?...
I was looking at bikes at a second hand shop and they had a really cheap nice looking V-strom dl1000, £2500 39k miles, the fella offered me a test ride, oh my god, it was lovely! Like perfect! Im 6’2 16st and fitted me like a glove, like riding on a cloud so I bought it!
Now ive read this thread im kinda crapping myself, just waiting for a new mot to collect, am I toast? Is it possible to take it easy? |
Fuck the neighbours I don't mind firing up my YBR at 4am which is louder than any standard Harley cos it's cos a free-flow exhaust on it, sounds like a lawnmower on steroids. But then again I've got pretty tolerant neighbours fortunately, they put up with all my cabs strewn outside my house and all up the street LOL.
Funny cos the V-Strom 1000 is one of the bikes I've been looking at, a lot! Haven't actually test ridden one but they appeal to me greatly. I'm sure there are plenty of other people on here able to give you better advice than me but looking at the specs, the V-STROM 1000 has far less power and torque than say a ZZR14000 which I was blabbering on about further back on this thread. I sounds like a sensible bike to me but I'm sure others have better advice to give on the matter???
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| Andy12345 wrote: | Hehe yes it sure seemed like a good idea, dont test drive one unless youve decided its the right bike, its riding position is brilliant (in my very very uneducated and inexperienced point of view)
Unfortunately I cant do the F the neighbours thing, not my way, “do unto others” and all that |
Hey your point of view is no more uneducated or inexperienced than mine believe me! Hopefully someone who knows what they're talking about will give you some better input and advice.
The reason I have been, am still am, seriously considering the V-STROM 1000 is because it just seems to be coming up a lot cheaper than comparable litre bikes (BMW GS, Honda Africa Twin or Crosstourer, Kawasaki Versys, KTM Adventure, Triumph Tiger, Yamaha Tenere). V-STROM just seems to look consistently better value for money and the MCN review of it isn't bad either. Is it maybe considered the Mondeo of adventure bikes? Good value for money as opposed to say an E Class or an A6? LOL
Still that price sounds VERY good to me. None of the V-STROM 1000 I've been looking at were coming up quite that cheap. Mileage sounds good too. I think you got a steal there!
Yeah I was kidding about the neighbours 
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