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M.C
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 13 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was in the topic I linked to, iirc OP went to a training school and wanted to do all the Mod 1 training in a day, the school said ok but if you're not up to it you'll have to do it on a 125... they weren't so did it on a 125.

I'm guilty of this myself but it does sound like the OP likes making things difficult for themself Smile
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 13 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cannot legally ride a derestricted 125 on an A1 or CBT.

You cannot legitimately insure a derestricted 125 on an A1 or CBT. You would have to lie to the insurer and then your cover technically will likely be void.

You are clearly not reading anything that anyone is writing here. If you're going to ask a question then at least consider the responses you receive.

If money is that tight then perhaps you would be better served by saving up for longer before you upgrade. [/b]
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 13 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I agree with everything Grrr has said (sounded very TM like) Very Happy

Firstly OP seems to know better than everyone else, or has a reason why they want to go an unconventional route to passing the test (diy option).

Did the training school shout at you too much or say your not up to it, or discriminate or behave inappropriately towards you inany way?

Your actions are like someone that's burnt their hand on the oven and not wanting to go back into the kitchen out of fear or irrational behaviour and mentally blocking out reality, and trying to find a way to skirt around the issues they are facing instead of tackling them head on?

What makes you think in your head that you are incapable of passing an A2 test unlike everyone else?

The only other reason to avoid A2 is if your totally skint, and just need a simple cheap commuter bike on an A1 licence to get to work and back on. But if that were the case you'd not be worrying about motorways, 72mph speed cameras and carrying pillions.

Something doesn't stack up here, and it's not the bikes or the insurers or the licencing system. Its just the delusional person that won't admit they are avoiding putting the cart in front of the horse, or something like that? Laughing



The 72mph speed cameras is relevant as it lowers the speed of vehicles wondering if 4 stroke 125s could handle it.

DIY route cost me just the test fees(£75) Im watching videos amd just ride around a lot. To do full das is usually about £700ish.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 13 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

tara1234 wrote:
DIY route cost me just the test fees(£75) Im watching videos amd just ride around a lot. To do full das is usually about £700ish.


If you can pass the mod 1 and 2 on a 125 then you can pass them on a bigger bike, after a bit of time to get used to the bike.. If you are test-ready, it shouldn't be adding up to £700 to get enough time on a bigger bike to get the feel for it. I just paid £500 for a three-day DAS after experience on a 125.

It sounds like you were a rushed and under pressure when getting on the A2 bike before. Honestly, save your money trying to get a slightly quicker 125, and book some lessons on bigger bike without the pressure of having to prep for mod 1 in hour or two. You'll almost certainly get used to 55bhp quicker than you think.

Either way, good luck for the mod 2 on Tuesday Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 13 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 72mph thing isn't true.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 13 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

ljw wrote:
tara1234 wrote:
To do full das is usually about £700ish.

I just paid £500 for a three-day DAS after experience on a 125.

£330 here but that was with a winter promo (2 for 1 thing). £500ish is about how much I'd expect for someone with previous riding experience.
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varadero 125. The only 125 4 stroke I'd consider on a motorway.
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PostPosted: 03:43 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I was to stay legal and get a CBR. Would the bike be enough to use on motorways and carry pillions (not both at same time). Aparantly it caps out about 75 mph as standard. Maybe a bit more with race exhausts and other mods etc.
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PostPosted: 04:52 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was t really planning on doing racy shit on the outside lane. The way I ride massive dual carriageways such as the a38 and a1 is to overtake lorries which I can do on the sr125 albeit very slowly as it seams to cap at about 65 indicated, mostly stay in the inside land. Would this work in a motorway stay in the middle and left lane?
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most 125s will do motorway work. I've used a cg125 on the motorway often enough. It copes, but it isn't fun. A CBR might be a little better than the SR but it won't be by much. Overtakes need planning and wind and hills still ruin the top end.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me see if this is right - you want to ride a four stroke single cylinder 125cc carrying a pillion on a motorway. You're cutting it so fine here that even questions about what gradients will the bike have to climb, how windy is it likely to be, and what time of day will you be travelling - all those become quite crucial considerations. If you have to ride up hill in a headwind, and you and you're pillion are of average height and weight you can expect you're speed to dip to 50mph, perhaps less. If you're in rush hour on a busy stretch of three lane, everyone else on the motorway will be cursing you and taking evasive action. It will be dangerous, horrible and stupid.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, it to some degree depends on the stretch of motorway, and times of travel, for example, if you're on the M6 between junction 10 & junction 6, much after 6:30 up until probably about 9:30, most of the traffic will be lucky to get up to 50 tops, which the majority of 125's won't have any real issue with
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

tara1234 wrote:
I was t really planning on doing racy shit on the outside lane. The way I ride massive dual carriageways such as the a38 and a1 is to overtake lorries which I can do on the sr125 albeit very slowly as it seams to cap at about 65 indicated, mostly stay in the inside land. Would this work in a motorway stay in the middle and left lane?


Motorway middle lanes are clogged with shtheads doing 65-70 and staying there.

On the motorway IIWY I'd stay on the inside lane with the lorries, doing 60MPH or thereabouts, and just not bother to overtake unless you come across something really slow.

The difference in journey time will not be very great.


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PostPosted: 10:05 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Travis Bickle wrote:
It's up to you, but I think you'll be hard pushed to find anyone on here who would actually recommend it.


Perhaps you could start quoting a little bit of what people write that you are replying to, to give some context.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

tara1234 wrote:
The way I ride massive dual carriageways such as the a38 and a1 is to overtake lorries which I can do on the sr125 albeit very slowly as it seams to cap at about 65 indicated, mostly stay in the inside land.

Why are they 55mph on paper Confused You seem to be thinking an extra 1.4 bhp will give you warp speed, it won't. The difference between my XR and my mates CBR was negligible. I feel for you having a shit 125 and wanting a better one (I was the same) but it's a waste of money.

Oh and don't start wasting money on 'sports' exhausts Neutral
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the long and short of it is if you're planning to spend time on motorways, for your own safety I would strongly suggest saving and getting a higher grade of license than an A1. The power cap on a 125 just isn't really enough for 70mph motorways, plus 125s are so light that they'll be really unpleasant if the weather is breezy (particularly with lorries overtaking which will still sit at 56mph even when heading into a strong headwind). Add a pillion into the mix and you'll be struggling to get up to a speed sufficient to safely merge into traffic when accelerating along sliproads too, particularly if the slip is climbing to the motorway rather than dropping onto it.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

tara1234 wrote:
So if I was to stay legal and get a CBR. Would the bike be enough to use on motorways and carry pillions (not both at same time). Aparantly it caps out about 75 mph as standard. Maybe a bit more with race exhausts and other mods etc.

It will be as dull and soul destroying as every other time you've asked. Wink

Doing seventy something miles an hour means that almost everything else will be overtaking you.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 14 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So to clarify 4 stroke 125s wont really be much better than what I have so not really worth upgrading and I should just stick in the slow lane at 56 mph with the trucks, which my sr 125 can already do even up hill.

Legalities aside. Would an nsr be powerful enough to ride on the motorway without a pillion or even with one? Hold 60 with a pillion on twistys. I can see advantages for using a 125 even with a full license. Because its light you can filter scooter style and lightweight best suited to someone whos really weak like me.

Also if anyone knows of any schools that do a2 upgrade courses on lightweight A2 or A bikes.
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