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t121anf
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 16 Jan 2019    Post subject: Cup wrenches Reply with quote

I need to do an oil change on our lasses car, in the past I would have used the hammer and screwdriver method, but since getting a bike I learnt about cup wrenches.

A cup wrench makes changing my GSXR’s oil filter a doodle and unmessy job.

The internet suggests I need a 64mm 14 flute, however the new filter I have has 12 sides, same size though.

Am I missing something or is either the internet wrong OR is my new filter just different?

I haven’t found a 65mm 12 sided cup wrench, assuming a side is a flute.
Nor have I checked what is currently fitted to her car, it’s dark and cold outside.

If it helps it’s a 2007 1lt Aygo.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 16 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Cup wrenches Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
I need to do an oil change on our lasses car, in the past I would have used the hammer and screwdriver method, but since getting a bike I learnt about cup wrenches.

A cup wrench makes changing my GSXR’s oil filter a doodle and unmessy job.

The internet suggests I need a 64mm 14 flute, however the new filter I have has 12 sides, same size though.

Am I missing something or is either the internet wrong OR is my new filter just different?

I haven’t found a 65mm 12 sided cup wrench, assuming a side is a flute.


It's a different filter, they come in various sizes.

Can't you just use a chain wrench, which goes on most filters? A 3-leg one?

Filters should just unscrew by hand. You have to make sure they're clean, and exert a continual twist on them. It doesn't always work though!

They shouldn't be done up very tight. Snug, then by hand about 1/4 turn is OK. You can't make an oil-tight seal more oil-tight.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 leg ones don’t go small enough from what I’ve read.

Might try those player style ones too.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just use water pump pliers.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use your muscles and a sheet of sand/glass paper folded in half with the grit on the outside.
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cup wrench is a waste of money if aftermarket filters are of random sizes.
Use a strap/chain wrench unless it's very inaccessible.
I did make an impromtu one using some strap cut from a poundshop
ratchet strap taped around a socket extension bar and it got the filter off.
Guess how much it cost..
go on ..
guess.
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
A cup wrench is a waste of money if aftermarket filters are of random sizes.
Use a strap/chain wrench unless it's very inaccessible.
I did make an impromtu one using some strap cut from a poundshop
ratchet strap taped around a socket extension bar and it got the filter off.
Guess how much it cost..
go on ..
guess.


£1.05.
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
A cup wrench is a waste of money if aftermarket filters are of random sizes.
Use a strap/chain wrench unless it's very inaccessible.
I did make an impromtu one using some strap cut from a poundshop
ratchet strap taped around a socket extension bar and it got the filter off.
Guess how much it cost..
go on ..
guess.


£1.05.


Nah, i would say a Guinea Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just use a rubber glove. You don't have to wear it, just wrap it around the filter and undo it.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: filter Reply with quote

Yeh, good grip and steady pressure and turning until it starts to turn then gets easier.

Bike ones are usually easy to get to but some car ones are quite difficult, not much room but not impossible by hand. Eat porrage for breakfast.

The lads current car and ours use the same filter, a bosch one, so will make a tool especially for the pug as thats the most difficult to undo. A tool that fits the can end and misses the radiator, but still is a hassle to get to.

A large pair of water pump pliers is a good addition to your tool kit, the cheap ones on markets all over the country, remember the renault 5!
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Just use water pump pliers.


I have some of them in my toolbox, I'll check if they go wide enough.

It may be on hand tight, I haven't tried to remove it yet.

This weekends maintenance might get cancelled now it's snowing up here in the "norf".
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vote for chain wrench. I do all mine by hand but when doing the missus' car, SEAT Leon, a gorilla must have put it on, the chain seriously dented the end of the filter. I replaced it hand tight, I reckon the change will be much simpler next time around.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do put a smear of oil on the rubber seal on the filter, otherwise they are very difficult to get off again.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Cup wrenches Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
t121anf wrote:
I need to do an oil change on our lasses car, in the past I would have used the hammer and screwdriver method, but since getting a bike I learnt about cup wrenches.

A cup wrench makes changing my GSXR’s oil filter a doodle and unmessy job.

The internet suggests I need a 64mm 14 flute, however the new filter I have has 12 sides, same size though.

Am I missing something or is either the internet wrong OR is my new filter just different?

I haven’t found a 65mm 12 sided cup wrench, assuming a side is a flute.


It's a different filter, they come in various sizes.

Can't you just use a chain wrench, which goes on most filters? A 3-leg one?

Filters should just unscrew by hand. You have to make sure they're clean, and exert a continual twist on them. It doesn't always work though!

They shouldn't be done up very tight. Snug, then by hand about 1/4 turn is OK. You can't make an oil-tight seal more oil-tight.


Most Spin On filters are hand tightened but some OEMs specify a torque... Phannies...

Kawasaki for instance recommend a Hoorova torque for their oil filters.

Normally it's a 3/4 turn after the seal contact the base then an additional 1/4 if it leaks after starting.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMW K series oil filters could be an arse
to get out as they're recessed under the sump.
I even bought a pukka cup wrench, but still had to stab
and mangle one to get it orf.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
BMW K series oil filters could be an arse
to get out as they're recessed under the sump.
I even bought a pukka cup wrench, but still had to stab
and mangle one to get it orf.
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2665967268_ea37286628.jpg


Filter pliers are the easiest tool for the flter on k bikes.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 17 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy k&n filters, they have a nut welded to the end.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:

...stab and mangle....


If the OP can't be arsed to buy the correct size six quid extractor to do it then stabby mangle works every time.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: filter Reply with quote

if you grip ( by crushing ) the filter at the closed end, expect the tin can to deform, grip closer to the "oil end".......I only use the large water pump pliers to get the filter to turn enough so it can be unscrewed by hand pressure onwards.

I have a strap wrench as well as a chain wrench as well as odd alloy cup sockets for larger car type oil filters, can type.

I did buy the 3 legged multi size ( within reason ) type that the legs close down onto the can and grip , for the lads car, which is due to be used in about 1300 miles time.....it had a filter just after the car was purchased, it leaked as it was not on tight enough, so that was changed. The next filter at oil change just before xmas was on tight and needed the large water pump pliers just to make it move a few degrees, no space for my hand, after that is undid by hand grip.

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PostPosted: 14:56 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Cup wrenches Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
I need to do an oil change on our lasses car, in the past I would have used the hammer and screwdriver method, but since getting a bike I learnt about cup wrenches.

A cup wrench makes changing my GSXR’s oil filter a doodle and unmessy job.

The internet suggests I need a 64mm 14 flute, however the new filter I have has 12 sides, same size though.

Am I missing something or is either the internet wrong OR is my new filter just different?

I haven’t found a 65mm 12 sided cup wrench, assuming a side is a flute.
Nor have I checked what is currently fitted to her car, it’s dark and cold outside.

If it helps it’s a 2007 1lt Aygo.


Right the "fluted" wrench you've heard about is for removing the cap of the newer metal housed/paper element oil filters looks like this (but not that exact one)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-5160-Oil-Filter-Wrench/dp/B005I4YYUU

The flutes being those little cut outs in the edge. the one you need is the 12 sided one you found, the filters are 64.5 mm give or take so it should be more than snug enough at 65mm. or just monster it off with big pliers etc you may find you can just unscrew it with some effort anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 18 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Buy k&n filters, they have a nut welded to the end.


There you go.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Buy k&n filters, they have a nut welded to the end.


There you go.


Not that helpful for removing the one on there now though Wink
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Buy k&n filters, they have a nut welded to the end.


That has a nasty habit of failing. There's a few vids/recalls about it.
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