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AdamEf
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a day of training on a GS500 and it nearly put me off wanting to carry on learning to ride. It was miniature, uncomfortable and it was a training school bike falling to bits, stalled constantly and every gear shift found a false neutral. felt like my legs were around my ears.

Never ridden one but I've always disliked the look and idea of the Ducati X Diavel. Everything from the aesthetics to the hideous marketing of coolness aimed at ageing men.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

SV650.
It's like Suzuki worked out the concept, then went out of their way to make the bike miss the mark in every way.

Engine - nothing, then briefly fun, then you hit the rev limiter.
Suspension - Not just budget, budget suspension can work. Budget and trying too hard would be the best way of putting it.
Reliability - Mine leaked oil past the seal on the (plastic) clutch cover, and blew the gasket by the waterpump to make lots of mayonnaise.

Even the tyres sizes were wrong when I had one. Back when the decent tyres were only really available in 180 rears, too wide for the SV.

I think that when Triumph designed the street triple, they just decided to make an SV650 without the mistakes.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it was my Ducati Multistrada 1200, It was a nice bike to ride when it worked, which was rarely. The dealer called it character.

Probably a Friday afternoon bike but the dealer almost had it more than I did. Over priced piece of shit.
It also gave me a distrust of Michelin tyres as it's PR4's had the handling of a drunk on a mechanical bull.
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Re: Hate that bike. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:17 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an SV and love it. But then I've changed out all the suspension and tweaked the TPS, changed the bars etc. So it's like a different bike really. I like the engine, (when you have the throttle working by adjusting the TPS to let it fuel at under 4000rpm!), but it is known for being mainly an engine and frame that needs eeverything else adjusting / swapping. They're a good bike though if you want to buy one cheap and gradually invest in it to make it decent. Kind of like buying on lease, but only paying for the extras when you can afford it. Mine's taken me 3 years and is just at the point that I want it now.

A lot of people seem to go from the SV to the Striple. I can see why, especially the R version with adjustable suspension. I could have bought one with all the money I've spent on the SV, but I didn't have all that money in one go to spend.


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SV650.
It's like Suzuki worked out the concept, then went out of their way to make the bike miss the mark in every way.

Engine - nothing, then briefly fun, then you hit the rev limiter.
Suspension - Not just budget, budget suspension can work. Budget and trying too hard would be the best way of putting it.
Reliability - Mine leaked oil past the seal on the (plastic) clutch cover, and blew the gasket by the waterpump to make lots of mayonnaise.

Even the tyres sizes were wrong when I had one. Back when the decent tyres were only really available in 180 rears, too wide for the SV.

I think that when Triumph designed the street triple, they just decided to make an SV650 without the mistakes.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdamEf wrote:
Never ridden one but I've always disliked the look and idea of the Ducati X Diavel. Everything from the aesthetics to the hideous marketing of coolness aimed at ageing men.


The hideous marketing thing must apply to pretty much all cruisers!

Hate is too strong a word, but the whole Bonneville range is slightly disturbing. I don't really mind a bit of retro styling, but all the affectations to look like what it's not just seem silly. The cooling fins, despite liquid cooling; the effort to look like a hard tail on the bobber range; no doubt there are more....
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha XJR1300. I bought because it has a real eye candy about it....I then rode it.......oh no , not for me. Similar to a GN250.
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I once rode an Ossa. Gear lever on the wrong side of the bike. Very agricultural.
Rode my brothers Harley......a real bone shaker.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Travis Bickle wrote:
A lot of votes for the GS500 LOL


I used one for a week or two while my own bike was awaiting repairs. It was indeed shite, in all the ways already mentioned and more. I eventually wangled a Fazer 600 to use for a further two weeks and was much happier. If I hadn't been able to do that, I would have handed back the GS and walked everywhere instead Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grubscrew wrote:
Yamaha XJR1300. I bought because it has a real eye candy about it....I then rode it.......oh no , not for me. Similar to a GN250.
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I once rode an Ossa. Gear lever on the wrong side of the bike. Very agricultural.
Rode my brothers Harley......a real bone shaker.

I assumed they were designed for stretch armstrong, as I couldn't comfortably reach the bars Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't think of a bike I've ridden that I don't like....

Many votes for the GS500, ridden one, I enjoyed it, would of bought one
years ago if I was able to get a good one.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courier265 wrote:
I can't think of a bike I've ridden that I don't like....

Many votes for the GS500, ridden one, I enjoyed it, would of bought one
years ago if I was able to get a good one.


Not quite sure how you could have enjoyed it Confused
Having a ride on one is one thing, living with one is a whole other ball game.
As to getting a good one, do you mean brand new? But even then...

No, sorry, I'm still Confused Please explain further Laughing (context?)
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second the GS500 and take it a bit further and include the cb500, I was going to suggest every 500 parallel twin is shite but the gpz500 is a hillarious thing to thrash the tits off and make me wonder just how hard honda and suzuki tried to miss the mark.

infact thinking about it, the gpz500 is the only 4t parallel twin ive ridden that I didnt want to push in a canal when I got off.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Courier265 wrote:
I can't think of a bike I've ridden that I don't like....

Many votes for the GS500, ridden one, I enjoyed it, would of bought one
years ago if I was able to get a good one.


Not quite sure how you could have enjoyed it Confused
Having a ride on one is one thing, living with one is a whole other ball game.
As to getting a good one, do you mean brand new? But even then...

No, sorry, I'm still Confused Please explain further Laughing (context?)


It was a while ago, one of my bikes was in the shop and I was loaned a GS500, took it for a good ride, I also was loaned a CBF500 on another trip to the bike shop.
The only reason I didn't get a GS500 is because I had a chance to get a CBF500 first, plus I did prefer the Honda.

The GS500 would of been a good bike for courier use so it was considered.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courier265 wrote:


The GS500 would of been a good bike for courier use so it was considered.


I think you'd have needed shares in the company producing ACF50.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
I'll second the GS500 and take it a bit further and include the cb500, I was going to suggest every 500 parallel twin is shite but the gpz500 is a hillarious thing to thrash the tits off and make me wonder just how hard honda and suzuki tried to miss the mark.

infact thinking about it, the gpz500 is the only 4t parallel twin ive ridden that I didnt want to push in a canal when I got off.

Don't the GPZ and the ER5 have the same engine? I don't know why I hated the ER5 so much, it's hard to pinpoint 'soulless', but I thought the engine was a major part of that.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Don't the GPZ and the ER5 have the same engine?


I heard that the GPZ has performance cam lobe profiles (flatter on the intake side) whereas the ER5 doesn't. I'm not sure about flywheel or other differences, but I'm sure there must be others as well.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ER is “tuned for midrange response” which is factory speak for “detuned to make less power everywhere”. The GPZ is one of those crap on paper bikes that manages to be more than it’s sum of parts as a riding experience. Neuter the engine and stick it in an even worse frame and you have the ER, which is shit but still better than the GS500.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst dirt bike that I have ever ridden was a friends Kawasaki KDX250SR that used to belong to my brother.We were greenlaning around the Dorking/Surrey lanes and we had an opportunity to swap bikes for a short distance...and that was as far as I wanted to go because that 'bike' was awful,especially when compared to my KTM,which I was so glad to get back on to.

As for rubbish road bikes,the worst by far was a friend's Suzuki GT750 triple that I had to ride in the wet.The throttle was heavy,the twin front discs did not work in the light rain and the thing pogoed around corners when carrying my friend on the back Shocked
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Courier265 wrote:


The GS500 would of been a good bike for courier use so it was considered.


I think you'd have needed shares in the company producing ACF50.


Care to explain that comical statement? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courier265 wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:


I think you'd have needed shares in the company producing ACF50.


Care to explain that comical statement? Rolling Eyes


Oh, there's nothing comical about it:

GT200Fan79 wrote:
A mate had one and all i remember is it rotting like a fishing boat. God forbid the idea of trying to do any work on it that involved undoing nuts and bolts.


Plus I saw enough of them rotting away when I worked in the bike trade, including the one I borrowed. However, I highly recommend you buy one.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

Alright, expectation about the 400 Superdream. I expected it to be ok, at least faintly competent, not exciting but useable. A middle-weight hack that would do the job. Kind of like a standard Ford Escort of the bike world.

I'll try to be objective.
It was a complete sack of shite, nothing worked as I thought motorcycles were intended to, and it did indeed appear to have a hinge in the middle of the frame. I have never, and will never forgive Honda for that abomination. I am still traumatised to this day, and it was something like 30 years ago I had one. £50 for a night down the pub was a fully acceptable exchange. Burning it may have been a better method of getting shot of it; at least that way I'd have had to ride it one less time. And that's all going by the standards of the time.



Funny thing about the Superdream, I used to think completely differently to you.

I've run several different ones, both capacities and my favourite was a black series 1 250, that I did thousands of miles on, in my job as a courier.

It was too heavy, which meant it wasn't ultra fast, but it was very solid on the road and I felt totally at one with it; I could deck it out on every corner and I would've gone any distance on it, safe in the knowledge that I could redline it for hours on end and it would get me there.

So a few years ago I bought one as a project (I did a show and tell thread here) thinking I would relive a bit of my youth - I got it done and farking hated it; too slow, iffy handling and it let me down on my first decent run on the thing.

After that, I parked it outside my house for a couple of years and eventually sold it for peanuts to another BCF member. - I don't think he kept it long, he also thought it was shit
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say I've ever hated a bike, however of the bikes I've ridden the one I enjoyed the least was a Moto Guzzi 850 Le mans.
I didn't own the bike, I had a 350 YPVS F1 at the time, however I swapped for a lap around the TT course.

It was cramped, uncomfortable, the seat was made from a lump of hardwood, it had torque steer on full throttle, it wasn't exactly fast, the brakes were crap, the suspension was rock hard, and I managed to singe my jeans on the cylinder heads!
I assume that's what you call character.
I didn't enjoy my lap, the guy who had my Yamaha, for a lap, was grinning like a Cheshire cat!

Second least favourite would be my brother's BSA Starfire, weighs as much as a small planet, runs, accelerates and brakes at the same rate as the small planet. Character strikes again!

ER5, dull is the word that springs to mind.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courier265 wrote:


Care to explain that comical statement? Rolling Eyes


For someone claiming to be a bike courier you seem to have very little knowledge of bikes...
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:

Funny thing about the Superdream...


Another thing that's a bit funny is that I had an H2 at the same time, not exactly the epitome of great handling, but I never complained about that. You can forgive a lot for a manic 2T engine Laughing
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