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Lord Percy wrote: | Tories have dressed themselves up as the Brexit party, but, as an extreme example, what if they also had plans to slash the state pension by 50%.
Would Brexit supporting pensioners still vote Tory just because they want Brexit that badly? |
May found out to her cost that you don't piss off the grey vote
AFAIK the decline of industry was happening regardless, Thatcher just came in at the end and made sure it was dead It's more her other policies, selling off social housing, Canary Wharf/the banking sector/widening the gap between rich and poor.
My comprehensive assessment of how things were would be:
Thatcher/Major = shit
New Labour = slightly less shit
Tory Coalition = shit again
The only way I'd vote for anyone is if they actually gave a f**k about ordinary people, and that would mean Brexit, reducing immigration, building housing, spending on schools. Does any party like that exist, or do they all treat ordinary folk with disdain? |
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M.C wrote: | Lord Percy wrote: | Tories have dressed themselves up as the Brexit party, but, as an extreme example, what if they also had plans to slash the state pension by 50%.
Would Brexit supporting pensioners still vote Tory just because they want Brexit that badly? |
May found out to her cost that you don't piss off the grey vote
AFAIK the decline of industry was happening regardless, Thatcher just came in at the end and made sure it was dead It's more her other policies, selling off social housing, Canary Wharf/the banking sector/widening the gap between rich and poor.
My comprehensive assessment of how things were would be:
Thatcher/Major = shit
New Labour = slightly less shit
Tory Coalition = shit again
The only way I'd vote for anyone is if they actually gave a f**k about ordinary people, and that would mean Brexit, reducing immigration, building housing, spending on schools. Does any party like that exist, or do they all treat ordinary folk with disdain? |
Apparently we need immigration because our population is dwindling.
We do not have enough kids to support growth.
The Caflicks were right. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Johnnythefox wrote: | The largest number of closures by far, 93 pits, were closed under Harold Wilson in the 60s. The next highest closure period took place under Jim Callaghan in the 70s.
Mrs Thatcher didn't take office until 1979 when 22 pits closed during her tenure in the 80s. Labour's closures far exceeded those of Mrs Thatcher.
These statistics were printed in the Chronicle on January 27, 2005. The last pit in the North East to be closed, Ellington, was closed under Labour. The last North East shipyard to be closed, Swan Hunter, closed under Labour.
I can never forgive Labour for devastating the country. |
Yesss!!
You have fallen into the pit of manipulated views. Let me educate you..
Mine closures. Just what is a 'mine closure'? The mine closed, or rather was mothballed. The reserves (royalty) for that mine were left untapped and could be won again if they re-entered at a later date. The majority of 1960s closures were just that.
New Hartley (Hastings) Pit closed in the 1960s. The mine was mothballed.
Firstly the New Hartley miners - they were used to open new reserves in Northumberland (your biased statistics fail to mention mines opening..). The men went to sink a mine called Longhirst Drift. It was incredibly successful. Some miners stayed there and others were transferred to other mines - yes miners were not paid off. Labour ensured that people remained employed in either what they currently did or went straight to other schemes. With New Hartley/Longhirst my Dad chose to leave after sinking was completed and went straight to road construction. He helped build some incredibly useful roads in the North East. My Dad managed a concreting crew who mostly laid drains but would be called upon when old mine workings were uncovered. His specialist knowledge allowed shafts to be capped etc.
Back to mothballed Hastings Pit. A mines reserves were calculated via boreholes. The calculations allowed for 20 years production - they always knew where the coal was, how much, quality and for 20 years. Hastings pit was mothballed (in favour of other reserves) with 79 million tons of known reserves @ 20 years production. Imagine that - one mine and just 20 years of proven reserves. Coal did not run out - modern mining methods were allowing access to massive reserves further beneath the sea.
That's just one mine.
Basically mine closures for the most were to allow access to easier quicker reserves until money or machinery allowed access to the big stuff.
Did you know there's a 16 foot thick coal seam stretching beneath the North Sea from Norfolk to Denmark? No crawling on hands and knees, no subsidence to land above. Easy coal..
The politics of those times would make sure that people could move from job to job and thus remain in employment, be useful, earn a DECENT wage, feed a family etc. Politics now is just greed, power grabbing and self serving politicians. They care nothing about the people. They've allowed a real mess to grow and it stinks.
At least if this was communist Russia and you were injured they'd send you straight for medical fixes. The reason being you're more useful working than not - a fair way of thinking IMHO. The UK fails to fix people, allows them to rot, sanctions benefits because those people get more poorly and can't do as the DSS asks and people die. FFS it's fucked in this country.
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Posted: 13:25 - 21 Jan 2019 Post subject: Re: General Election - who woud you vote for and why? |
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Diggs wrote: | There simply isn't anybody to vote for come the next General Election.
Am I alone in thinking this? |
It depends on when the next election is, and what has happened between now and then, as well as the policies of each party. Three scenarios for you.
Were the election tomorrow, considering parties standing previously in my area:
Conservative: X Mostly obeying the "leave the EU" instruction.
Green: No chance. Against leaving the EU.
Labour: No. Against fully leaving the EU.
Lib Dem: No chance. Against leaving the EU.
UKIP: No. For leaving the EU, but powerless.
Were the election at the scheduled time, and we had left the EU:
Conservative: Probable. They got us out of the EU.
Green: No. Environmental policy OK, bulk of rest of policy detail unacceptable.
Labour: Possible, depending on their evolution.
Lib Dem: No.
UKIP: No. Mission accomplished.
Were the election at the scheduled time, and we had NOT left the EU:
Conservative: Possible, depending on how & why Brexit failed.
Green: No chance. Pro-EU.
Labour: No. They would have played a large part in the failure of Brexit.
Lib Dem: No chance. Pro-EU.
UKIP: Vaguely possible, depending on their "associations" and availability of any single-issue, inclusive alternative.
Anti-EU: Possible, see "Conservative". I would consider voting for a single-issue anti-EU party, moderate, inclusive and flexible on other issues.
I hope there aren't any triping errers of omissions above. |
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F0ulOli wrote: | While there is nobody worth voting for, you still have to vote.
You scribble on a few of the choices, and spoil your vote and then you count.
If you don't, your vote disappears.
A spoilt vote counts as a none of the above, where not voting doesn't count - a 30% turnout is still a turnout, where as 70% spoilt votes would count as part of the percentage who didn't vote for the winner.
Of course, most people can't be arsed and the politicians win again! |
I disagree. Spoiling your ballot paper still counts as endorsing the system, you're still on their mong *sniggers* democracy list. Drawing a cock on your ballot paper and being a part of a statistical irrelevance isn't fighting the system.
Polarbear wrote: | The other thing is you have to have jobs for these immigrants to work in before they start paying to support the pensioners/system. Real jobs that pay. Not cleaners on 0 hours contracts being subsidised by the tax payer.
Large immigration means suppressed wages. We need jobs where the workers are paid a decent wage and then contribute via the tax system, it isn't going to happen any more in this country. |
I don't think it's a secret that mass immigration is about flooding the market with cheap labour, if they really were all rocket surgeons, and genuine contenders for 'elite' jobs they'd stop immigration in a heartbeat. |
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That is all interesting. Looks like many of you are in the same boat as me. It used to be that people voted the same way for decades without really thinking about it, but that has changed. This must be the one positive consequence of the Brexit shit-shower, in that the electorate is thinking again... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 68 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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