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Demand 47.20GW

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We're still getting 2GW from france, but are giving .65GW to the island of Ireland (North and South). Also getting 0.69GW from Belgium.
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When they have some sort of induction charging that works as the car drives along a road it will be feasible. Scalextric without the slots!

But again, the infrastructure costs would be horrendous.

Solar roadways 2.0?
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linuxyeti wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
When they have some sort of induction charging that works as the car drives along a road it will be feasible. Scalextric without the slots!

But again, the infrastructure costs would be horrendous.


It's already been shown to be feasible for the majority of road users, it seems like there are lot's of luddites on here afraid of an electric future, where they won't be able to take that sniff of petrol or diesel fumes, oh, and of course, won't be able to make that 'lovely loud' exhaust noise.. I'm sure you could record the sound on yee old casette player and play it loud !! A bit like the kid at school, who strapped a cassette player to his bike, and it played the knight rider theme tune at full whack !! Laughing Laughing Laughing


Rubbish, or the majority of road users would choose electric cars.

And luddites oppose the introduction of better technology. The only thing better from electric cars is no exhaust. Other than that they are inferior to the ICE in every respect.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 01 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
linuxyeti wrote:
It's already been shown to be feasible for the majority of road users, it seems like there are lot's of luddites on here afraid of an electric future,


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Never mind an electric future, what about the present? Put your money where your mouth is and then tell us about the reality. Pass the popcorn
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Sister Sledge wrote:
As has been said it's the batteries that let them down = more so in used machines. The costs are staggering for a replacement pack and technology will have moved on..

What you need is something with a live power feed - a dodgem scooter perhaps?

Hi,
Looking at the detailed pic in the supersocco advert, it looks like just they are just standard 18650 cells contained within those batteries.
They're dirty cheap & would be relatively easy to swap out 🤔

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stirlinggaz wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
As has been said it's the batteries that let them down = more so in used machines. The costs are staggering for a replacement pack and technology will have moved on..

What you need is something with a live power feed - a dodgem scooter perhaps?

Hi,
Looking at the detailed pic in the supersocco advert, it looks like just they are just standard 18650 cells contained within those batteries.
They're dirty cheap & would be relatively easy to swap out 🤔

cheers,
GAZ


I actually think electric bikes for commuters are more feasible than cars as they are getting cheap enough. 2-3 grand is acceptable for a commuter you are only going to use for work and you can easily have a second bike for fun, touring etc. Even more so if you can make up battery packs on the cheap!

It's the 20 grand plus for a boring electric car that is struggling outside the city when it's ICE equivalent is something like half the price that totally unimpresses me.
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I actually think electric bikes for commuters are more feasible than cars as they are getting cheap enough.

I still remember the mauling you and the Borg gave me for suggesting the same thing Smile I see hybrids as the future for cars, and long term something like hydrogen fuel cells, as I think refueling only takes 5 minutes which's about the time most people seem to take paying for petrol/diesel anyway Rolling Eyes

With bikes I think the future is electric due to cost. Also bikes are typically ridden differently, even for Sunday riders, you can ride to a cafe, plug your bike in for ~30 mins, ride back. There might be expensive hybrid long range touring bikes or something, but I can see most bikes being electric, assuming they aren't banned by then.
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I actually think electric bikes for commuters are more feasible than cars as they are getting cheap enough.

I still remember the mauling you and the Borg gave me for suggesting the same thing Smile I see hybrids as the future for cars, and long term something like hydrogen fuel cells, as I think refueling only takes 5 minutes which's about the time most people seem to take paying for petrol/diesel anyway Rolling Eyes

With bikes I think the future is electric due to cost. Also bikes are typically ridden differently, even for Sunday riders, you can ride to a cafe, plug your bike in for ~30 mins, ride back. There might be expensive hybrid long range touring bikes or something, but I can see most bikes being electric, assuming they aren't banned by then.


My caveat on electric bikes is the cost. Those zeros are stupid money. I'm only saying that I think they are feasible now because it seems you can get usable ones for 2.5k. I'm talking about having a cheap electric moped thingy solely for commuting in a city, having an ICE bike for fun and still having 5+ grand change from a zero.

I also doubt you are going to save hugely over the life of the moped when you an buy an ICE one for a grand+ less. That's an awful lot of fuel for a moped.

My welsh friend has an electric assisted push bike. Great. It is easy to charge and saves heart attacks. It's a pig to ride when the battery is flat but at least possible.

What the future brings is something very new to the transportation industry. It's a future not based on improvement and natural development, but a future based on a completely external criteria. We have never had that before.
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Those zeros are stupid money.

They're like Tesla, high-end. That Supersoaker TX Max thing is 4k, does 62mph (apparently), and has the same list price as a CBR125. You'd imagine a mainstream manufacturer could produce a better bike for less.

EDIT: it seems the electric PCX isn't that much more than the regular bike?
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Just to follow up my mate popped round today so I got some 'real world' figures out of him. He said:

In this cold weather he loses about 50-60 miles range over mid summer. In this weather, normal driving, he gets approx. 220 miles from a full charge of the 90kwh battery compared to approx. 280 in summer. It'll go over 300 with frugal driving but he's not the sort to bother with that so he'll never find the ultimate full range possible.

The heater is 6kw at full power but you daren't use it (full power) on defrost from cold in this weather as it's powerful enough to crack the screen as some people have. He said you rarely ever need to use it on full. Like any other car heater I guess a quick blast on power then idle it down to maintain a comfortable temp.

Incidentally the battery has it's own heating/cooling system to optimise charging.
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In the Chinese diesel heaters group on facebook there are some that are fitting diesel heaters to smaller electric cars. Makes sense also in that you can pre-heat the car.
(Though I don't know what the options are for running heaters while plugged into the mains at home - or you can just stick an electric heater in there on cable, I suppose Smile ).
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In the Chinese diesel heaters group on facebook there are some that are fitting diesel heaters to smaller electric cars. Makes sense also in that you can pre-heat the car.
(Though I don't know what the options are for running heaters while plugged into the mains at home - or you can just stick an electric heater in there on cable, I suppose Smile ).


That's going to give you a lot of brownie points with the ecomentals. Those things kick out more shit than a good car diesel.

I have a Webasto on the boat. Western made, cleaner and way pricier than the Chinese ones but even that would get the tree huggers howling with rage. Wink
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Pete. wrote:
Just to follow up my mate popped round today so I got some 'real world' figures out of him. He said:

In this cold weather he loses about 50-60 miles range over mid summer. In this weather, normal driving, he gets approx. 220 miles from a full charge of the 90kwh battery compared to approx. 280 in summer. It'll go over 300 with frugal driving but he's not the sort to bother with that so he'll never find the ultimate full range possible.

The heater is 6kw at full power but you daren't use it (full power) on defrost from cold in this weather as it's powerful enough to crack the screen as some people have. He said you rarely ever need to use it on full. Like any other car heater I guess a quick blast on power then idle it down to maintain a comfortable temp.

Incidentally the battery has it's own heating/cooling system to optimise charging.


Those are pretty good figures. 200-300 miles between charges is certainly usable. The problem I have, and will have even if I don't even think about anything else is my car will do 600 miles on a tank and when it gets low it will take 5 minutes to replenish. I just can't get my head around this 30-60 minutes with an electric car once you have found a charge point.

Maybe if I had one I'd adapt but I'm not spending Tesla money to find out if I can or not.
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I'm not spending Tesla money to find out if I can or not.

There you go...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/HYDE_PARK.JPG
Powered by an 8 bhp (6 kW) electric motor and lead-acid batteries, the car has a top speed of around 48 mph (77 km/h) and a range of around 40 miles (64 km)

I think Maureen from driving school won one on a TV series, the logic being she'd be less likely to hurt someone in that Smile
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M.C wrote:
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I'm not spending Tesla money to find out if I can or not.

There you go...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/HYDE_PARK.JPG
Powered by an 8 bhp (6 kW) electric motor and lead-acid batteries, the car has a top speed of around 48 mph (77 km/h) and a range of around 40 miles (64 km)

I think Maureen from driving school won one on a TV series, the logic being she'd be less likely to hurt someone in that Smile


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I just can't get my head around this 30-60 minutes with an electric car once you have found a charge point.


Look at it like this in a car...

About 40 years ago a trip to the coast always required a stop half way for a break...
Happy Eaters, Wimpys & roadside cafe's everywhere..... Sadly now long gone.

But could well be making a comeback Embarassed

For your average biker, it will mean nothing changes..... Still need a coffee/buttie break every 30 mins Laughing
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The mentions of hydrogen fuel cells. Where do we get hydrogen? It's incredibly energy thirsty to make (and why it's a good fuel). It'd take some serious energy plants to provide hydrogen car fleets with fuel.

A small commuter bike does make sense yes. My only concern is sometimes slower and less power can be dangerous. Give it a little more power and yes I'd be happy enough with one.

Electric cars and heaters: I suppose it's almost instant heat on those?
My ICE car has a water cooled manifold and the heater is up to half temperature in less than a mile. Quite a strange experience that!
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The mentions of hydrogen fuel cells. Where do we get hydrogen? It's incredibly energy thirsty to make (and why it's a good fuel). It'd take some serious energy plants to provide hydrogen car fleets with fuel.

Hence why I said something like... Smile Whoever finds the solution will be a bazillionaire.
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The mentions of hydrogen fuel cells. Where do we get hydrogen? It's incredibly energy thirsty to make (and why it's a good fuel). It'd take some serious energy plants to provide hydrogen car fleets with fuel.

Hence why I said something like... Smile Whoever finds the solution will be a bazillionaire.


The solution is water.

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iooi wrote:
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I just can't get my head around this 30-60 minutes with an electric car once you have found a charge point.


Look at it like this in a car...

About 40 years ago a trip to the coast always required a stop half way for a break...
Happy Eaters, Wimpys & roadside cafe's everywhere..... Sadly now long gone.

But could well be making a comeback Embarassed

For your average biker, it will mean nothing changes..... Still need a coffee/buttie break every 30 mins Laughing


What a good shout. I used to love stopping at Little Chef with my Mum when we went to visit my Aunt and Uncle in wildest Suffolk from our home in Weston-Super-Mare. Thumbs Up Riding in her little green Austin Mini. reg 986 WYC. Isn't it funny what sticks in your mind.

It was about the only time I remember us going somewhere with waitress service. Laughing
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Little Chef

Bill Bailey: "Little Chefs, originally built on ley lines then the roads came in and connected them up". Laughing
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Little Chef? Grim and funny.

Stopped by in one near Cambridge (southbound I think many years ago).
Understaffed and being run by a server and the chef - both female.
You could feel some sort of friction even as you walked in - the chef completely lost it and went beserk. Screaming at the woman serving, throwing things and then stormed out.
Yeah entertaining places for sure.

It's a valid point though. I remember journeys where two families were crammed into one vehicle and I expect we'll be seeing a return to that aswell.
Wasn't it our own future-thinking government who stripped the road network of its truck stop network?
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Sister Sledge wrote:
Little Chef? Grim and funny.

Stopped by in one near Cambridge (southbound I think many years ago).
Understaffed and being run by a server and the chef - both female.
You could feel some sort of friction even as you walked in - the chef completely lost it and went beserk. Screaming at the woman serving, throwing things and then stormed out.
Yeah entertaining places for sure.

It's a valid point though. I remember journeys where two families were crammed into one vehicle and I expect we'll be seeing a return to that aswell.
Wasn't it our own future-thinking government who stripped the road network of its truck stop network?


Those days are gone. Having half a dozen rugrats in the back seat of your Ford Anglia would get you done nowadays. Laughing
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Wasn't it our own future-thinking government who stripped the road network of its truck stop network?


No. It was our thrust to keep going and not stop...

It's all that rush, rush, rush to get from A 2 B ASAP... And not enjoy the thought of a nice fry up on the way Laughing

Maybe in the next 30 years we will see life slow down a bit and we start to enjoy trips out, and not get so stressed with someone going slow.. Embarassed

Just think of all the jobs that can be created by bringing back road side cafe's Very Happy
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