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| M.C wrote: | | Lord Percy wrote: | Come on, use a bit of common sense. |
Yes do  They don't give a f**k about providing content that would actually appeal to the vast majority of people, why would they give a shit about who is in government?
If any government tried to cut them off they'd be cries of censorshiiiiiip. I think the real issue is you thought they were a government mouthpiece for some baffling reason and are wrong, therefore anyone else who sees the obvious left wing bias in their content must also be wrong  |
Obvious left wing bias? Bollocks, British society is still quite heavily right-leaning, just look at the political landscape.
What you really mean is that the BBC is doing what it has always done, is hasn't changed much at all. Yes they may be producing trash TV at the moment but there is no supreme left wing lliberal agenda. The problen is that society has changed to become more hostile, more socially conservative and generally more bigoted toward anything that doesn't meet the status quo. Read my above response to mpd 72. BBC has had non-white, disabled and non-status-quo characters for years, nothing has changed in that regard.
What sinister reason do you think the BBC would be going into liberal left wing overdrive anyway? What bad scary thing is happening to society? Nothing much, as far as I can tell. The only thing that has happened is a rise in rabid right wing media hysteria, and rabid right wing youtube channels which seem to think everything in the western world is a liberal conspiracy, a conspiracy which is yet to have any large-scale effects whatsoever. People are going crazy over the left wing liberal menace, yet in everyday society it barely exists! A couple of news articles and viral social media campaigns about that one guy who got a sex change and adopted five gender-netural kids is all it takes to make everyone think the whole western world has fallen.
This nonsense reminds me of the way the right wing rose to power in the 50s and 60s in certain parts of the world, using liberalism and communism as an abstract object of fear for people to turn against. In the modern world the object of fear is liberalism and 'left wing' ideals, which barely exist, while right wing governments and corporate interests pull all the strings. Population control at its finest. |
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No, the problem is that you and seemiengly most of society has been pushed into thinking right wing conservative values and near-bigotry are the norm.
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What utter blinkered nonsense!
The media and education system, including the BBC, has turned political opinion in this country so the left is seen as the socially acceptable stance and anything right of centre is lambasted and tainted with a shitty stick. Being far right is illegal in this country now, but seemingly being far left is not.
You're demonstrating this perfectly without even realising.
Denying the MSM in this country on the whole has a left wing bias is beyond blinkered. Considering I've highlighted many examples over the years and it still doesn't sink in with you, I can't be arsed to waste my breath anymore.
Even Al Beeb admit it...
| Quote: | The BBC is “a publicly-funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large”.
All this, he said, “creates an innate liberal bias inside the BBC”.
–Andrew Marr
“It’s a bit like walking into a Sunday meeting of the Flat Earth Society. As they discuss great issues of the day, they discuss them from the point of view that the earth is flat.
“If someone says, ‘No, no, no, the earth is round!’, they think this person is an extremist. That’s what it’s like for someone with my right-of-centre views working inside the BBC.”
– Jeff Randall, former BBC business editor
By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’.
– Peter Sissons, Former BBC News and Current Affairs presenter
“In the BBC I joined 30 years ago [as a production trainee, in 1979], there was, in much of current affairs, in terms of people’s personal politics, which were quite vocal, a massive bias to the left. The organisation did struggle then with impartiality. And journalistically, staff were quite mystified by the early years of Thatcher.
“Now it is a completely different generation. There is much less overt tribalism among the young journalists who work for the BBC. It is like the New Statesman, which used to be various shades of soft and hard left and is now more technocratic. We’re like that, too.”
– Mark Thomspon, former BBC Director General
“I do remember… the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I’ll always remember that”
– Jane Garvey, Radio 4 presenter, recalling Tony Blair’s election victory in 1997
I absorbed and expressed all the accepted BBC attitudes: hostility to, or at least suspicion of, America, monarchy, government, capitalism, empire, banking and the defence establishment, and in favour of the Health Service, state welfare, the social sciences, the environment and state education. But perhaps our most powerful antagonism was directed at advertising. This is not surprising; commercial television was the biggest threat the BBC had ever had to face.
– Sir Antony Jay, former BBC producer and creator, inter alia, of “Yes, (Prime) Minister”
“Liberal sceptical humanists tend to dominate television”.
The “default position in broadcasting” – when covering issues such as gay marriage and the Roman Catholic position on IVF – revolved around human rights, and that opponents should not be treated as “lunatics”.
“All I’m saying is, if you have at the centre of News an editor, he could explain why people in particular areas…are motivated, why they behave as they do and I think that would just increase understanding.”
– Roger Bolton, Radio 4 presenter and former head of Panorama and Nationwide
“And, in the tone of what we say about America, we have a tendency to scorn and deride. We don’t give America any kind of moral weight in our broadcasts.”
– Justin Webb (pg. 66), Today presenter and former BBC North America editor
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| Lord Percy wrote: | No, the problem is that you and seemiengly most of society has been pushed into thinking right wing conservative values and near-bigotry are the norm.
BBC has been 'progressive' for years, just nobody cared before. Blue Peter always had the superhero disabled kid featured doing some lame performance. Top of the Pops was over-represented by non-white artists. Every TV show I ever saw as a kid wasn't remotely representative of the majority white British populace. Konnie Huq, Dave Benson Phillips, Trish Cooke, Josie d'Arby, Angellica Bell. So much BAME it would look like a leftist liberal conspiracy in today's Britain!
And now yo think that a female Doctor Who and a few gay characters in your favourite TV shows is a sign of the BBC suddenly becoming a bastion of everything that's wrong with society. Perhaps the real issue is that you're such a sucker to rabid right wing press hysteria that you actually believe the shit that gets printed. As far as I can tell, nothing drastic has really happened as far as BBC output goes. You just can't separate fact from fiction, so of course the entire of western society has become a left wing liberal deathscape, of course! |
Progressive was Star Trek, with a 'diverse' cast in the 60s. I don't remember the BBC looking how it does now in my lifetime.
| Lord Percy wrote: | Obvious left wing bias? Bollocks, British society is still quite heavily right-leaning, just look at the political landscape.
What you really mean is that the BBC is doing what it has always done, is hasn't changed much at all. Yes they may be producing trash TV at the moment but there is no supreme left wing lliberal agenda. The problen is that society has changed to become more hostile, more socially conservative and generally more bigoted toward anything that doesn't meet the status quo. Read my above response to mpd 72. BBC has had non-white, disabled and non-status-quo characters for years, nothing has changed in that regard.
What sinister reason do you think the BBC would be going into liberal left wing overdrive anyway? What bad scary thing is happening to society? Nothing much, as far as I can tell. The only thing that has happened is a rise in rabid right wing media hysteria, and rabid right wing youtube channels which seem to think everything in the western world is a liberal conspiracy, a conspiracy which is yet to have any large-scale effects whatsoever. People are going crazy over the left wing liberal menace, yet in everyday society it barely exists! A couple of news articles and viral social media campaigns about that one guy who got a sex change and adopted five gender-netural kids is all it takes to make everyone think the whole western world has fallen.
This nonsense reminds me of the way the right wing rose to power in the 50s and 60s in certain parts of the world, using liberalism and communism as an abstract object of fear for people to turn against. In the modern world the object of fear is liberalism and 'left wing' ideals, which barely exist, while right wing governments and corporate interests pull all the strings. Population control at its finest. |
Was BBC News always full of daily stories about how <insert group> was being discriminated against? Do you really think that has no effect? I'm seeing it, people on all sides becoming more racist and intolerant, and it's the left doing that by constantly telling us we're different. The only way it's the right is if this is all a right wing conspiracy, and they're deliberately funding the left to try and divide people, which's a bit tin foil hatish even for me.
Also with the BBC, see how often their 'stars' turn up at left wing events, perve over their social media and you'll see their political views. The only other sector that has the same level of political bias is Hollywood, again have a perve, you'll see they all think the same way. |
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Also Percy it was you who was going on about sjw advertising on here, and I thought then I stared to see it after a while. |
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@M.C.
Regarding BBC News bias, consider this:
Here we have mpd72 and yourself claiming it's a left wing mouthpiece.
Whenever I'm back visiting my parents, my dad consistently complains that the BBC has been overtaken by Tories. Poignant example here.
As I've said before, it seems to me that the BBC is doing a fine enough job, the real problem is that society is now so divided that it's bloody hard for the BBC to broadcast material that will make everyone happy. |
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| Lord Percy wrote: | @M.C.
Regarding BBC News bias, consider this:
Here we have mpd72 and yourself claiming it's a left wing mouthpiece.
Whenever I'm back visiting my parents, my dad consistently complains that the BBC has been overtaken by Tories. Poignant example here.
As I've said before, it seems to me that the BBC is doing a fine enough job, the real problem is that society is now so divided that it's bloody hard for the BBC to broadcast material that will make everyone happy. |
Well your dad like you doesn't have a clue  We have lots of right wing media, the Daily Mail etc., we were specifically talking about the BBC which as a publicly funded organisation shouldn't have any agenda.
P.S. we're talking about media, possibly governmental bias and you post an RT article? |
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Fucking Yougov! Are you serious?!
Justifying media bias by using a Yougov survey?!
You’re a funny guy. That made me laugh out loud! 
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| Lord Percy wrote: | mpd stated that British mainstream media is left wing biased. I was showing him the error in his ways.
As for the BBC, no it simply isn't a left wing liberal mouthpiece, I have no idea where peoople get this belief from. The only reason I can think of is the glut of alt-right youtube channels that claim everything in modern western society is a liberal SJW conspiracy of some kind. The amount of opinions people are coming out with these days (especially you) which sound like they're taken directly from these deliberately hysterical, wannabe intellectual youtube channels fronted by opinionists with no formal knowledge on the subjects they're talking about, it's quite amazing.
By the way, you claiming that myself and my father "don't have a clue" has about as much weight as me saying the same of you. An absolute non-argument.
And you still haven't answered my question yet. For what reason do you think the BBC might be left wing biased? Is there a sinister plot to do A Bad Thing to the country via left wing indoctrination? Who's pulling the strings? Why do they do it?
There's a far more credible line of reasoning for why the BBC might have a right wing bias, namely that it's funded by the Tory government.
But I'm not making that argument, I'm arguing that the BBC has no major bias in any direction at all, it's just having a hard time finding content to keep everyone happy at once. |
TV media especially, attracts a much higher proportion of ethnics, homosexuals and liberals than the society as a whole.
For this reason, left wing ideology is common in TV midia.
I suppose you’re going to deny Channel “multicoloured the, fuck the Tories” 4 are left wing too are you?
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Guardian “centre left”?! The Indie “Centre”?! You do fall for some shit.
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| Lord Percy wrote: | Okay, some slightly heavier reading for you you attempt.
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/21191/economics/media-bias-in-the-uk/
It interestintly points to the issue of the BBC too:
| Quote: | What about the BBC’s independence?
The BBC are independent and go to great lengths to give both sides of the debate. Personally, I believe the BBC is a big boon to press coverage in the UK. I fear what would happen if the BBC lost independence and became owned by rich individual (like Fox News / Sky News)
However, in determination to give balance, opinions are often presented as fact and equal weighting given to misleading information. The downside of giving 50/50 split is that there is often no attempt to evaluate the relative significance of an argument. 90% of economists were opposed to Brexit, but the BBC is contractually obliged to give 50% weighting to the minority of Brexit economists who supported Brexit. When the Conservative claim Labour borrowed too much, there was rarely any attempt to put into context, such as showing national debt as % of GDP since the war.
Just because 1% of scientists say Global warming is a hoax, doesn’t mean you should give 50% equal weighting to criticism of global warming. |
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Are you shitting me? You’re quoting an impartiality study for the BBC Trust to prove the BBC are impartial?
Why do you think they need to keep telling everyone at the bottom of their page? Too obvious to most now is my guess.
That shite comes from here...
https://www.ilsole24ore.com/pdf2010/Editrice/ILSOLE24ORE/ILSOLE24ORE/Online/_Oggetti_Embedded/Documenti/2018/11/13/BBC.pdf
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| Lord Percy wrote: | mpd stated that British mainstream media is left wing biased. I was showing him the error in his ways. |
Define mainstream. The BBC and ITN have daily minority diversity hardship stories.
| Lord Percy wrote: | As for the BBC, no it simply isn't a left wing liberal mouthpiece, I have no idea where peoople get this belief from. The only reason I can think of is the glut of alt-right youtube channels that claim everything in modern western society is a liberal SJW conspiracy of some kind. The amount of opinions people are coming out with these days (especially you) which sound like they're taken directly from these deliberately hysterical, wannabe intellectual youtube channels fronted by opinionists with no formal knowledge on the subjects they're talking about, it's quite amazing. |
I find opinion pieces boring  and don't watch any of them, but as you want to personalise this, I've no idea where you sit, one minute you're attacking transsexuals, then defending them, one minute you're going on about 'poverty' issues then you come out with tirades like this.
If you watch/watched Family Guy and I said you were like Brian I think you'd know what I mean.
| Lord Percy wrote: | By the way, you claiming that myself and my father "don't have a clue" has about as much weight as me saying the same of you. An absolute non-argument. |
So I can say one other person I know feels the same way as me and that counts as confirmation does it? I've not met anyone else who thinks the BBC is right wing like you and Percy senior apparently do.
| Lord Percy wrote: | And you still haven't answered my question yet. For what reason do you think the BBC might be left wing biased? Is there a sinister plot to do A Bad Thing to the country via left wing indoctrination? Who's pulling the strings? Why do they do it? |
I thought they were rhetorical questions The BBC has been taken over by lefties, its hardly a secret, and the left feel their narrative is gospel. Never mind if it's based on BS and is divisive, we only care about that when it's coming from a right wing mouth, as highlighted by the daily MPD vs The World battles on here.
| Lord Percy wrote: | There's a far more credible line of reasoning for why the BBC might have a right wing bias, namely that it's funded by the Tory government. |
No there really isn't, beyond publicly funded > coalition government. When Labour were in power were they a WhereverNewLabourSits wing mouthpiece? I don't remember any bias back then, I remember seeing stuff about Zimbabwean farmers getting attacked and having their farms taken off them, the only mention I've seen recently on the BBC site was an article trying to debunk the S.Africa situation, as I said before the only other news site I've seen reacting to the right is The Guardian. Wait are they right wing? |
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You know there's something there when they're constantly denying any bias.
Every single news page has a link to this shit at the bottom. Why do they feel the need to keep brainwashing people into thinking they're not turning into a bunch of screaming Liberals?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/help-41670342
| Quote: | Research shows that, compared to other broadcasters, newspapers and online sites, the BBC is seen as by far the most trusted and impartial news provider in the UK. |
And do the BBC reveal who carries this "research" out, when the same article at the bottom of every page also claims this..
| Quote: | Where BBC News relies on a single source for a key aspect of its coverage, we will strive to credit that source, where possible. We usually link to official reports, sets of statistics and other sources of information, to enable you to judge for yourself the underlying information that we are reporting on. |
Err, no. They can't tell us, who tells them that the public think they're impartial. I wonder why?
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| Lord Percy wrote: | @M.C
It isn't only myself and 'Percy senior' who think the BBC have a right wing bias.
Firstly - I'm repeating this for the third time now - I've said many times that I don't think the BBC has any distinct bias at all.
Secondly, the example of my father thinking the BBC is right wing biased was supposed to be a quick illustration of how not everyone believes the BBC is a left wing mouthpiece. If you want more general examples, I saw on a Facebook post just today, some folk were complaining about the BBC being a Tory weapon. There are loads of people who think it's a right wing propaganda machine.
Your claim so far is that the BBC is left wing, and that's it, a claim based on a few examples. Plenty of people claim the exact opposite, using their own handful of examples, so my point is proven. BBC outputs all that it can in an increasingly divided society, so always people will find something to be unhappy about. This is something else I'm repeating now for the third time.
I don't understand the relevance of the quote you fished out from a year ago (why and how have you got that memorised?!) or how it relates to issues of poverty.
Also I've never attacked transsexuals. I made the SJW nonsnese thread to talk about and ridicule SJW nonsense. There's a clear difference between SJW hysteria and real people in society who are genuinely dealing with gender and sexuality issues. I kind of regret making that thread now because it's long since turned into a festering pit of bigotry on every other page. |
You said before you previously thought the BBC were right wing, and it's not a few examples, there are daily examples... I created a topic about it. Pretty much all my news posts in your SJW thread come from the BBC... and there's no bias?
I remembered the quote because it shows how quickly you switch sides whenever it suits you, with the trans debate you've agreed with me and I'm fairly sure Kal thinks I was attacking the trans community... |
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That is a really interesting image and I enjoyed looking at it.
Could we maybe do a similar table but with BCF members instead of the papers?
Not only would that milk the lolcow, but would be useful for noobs |
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