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stirlinggaz wrote: |
Hi,
People don't choose to do sh*t jobs, sometimes it's all they can get to earn a crust.
The "I'm all right Jack, attitude in this country saddens me ".
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So what's stopping them getting the same jobs that all the other "I'm alright jack" brigade have?
Nobody is forcing them to work for Deliveroo at gunpoint. Other jobs are available, we have record employment and low unemployment. People think Deliveroo is a a licence to print money if you have your own transport. Unfortunately common sense isn't readily available. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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M.C wrote: | A guy I worked with got sacked, which was unjustified but whatever, and ended up having to work for deliveroo. It was actually a very similar job except now instead of cycling around London in company branded uniform, waiting for a job to come through on a PDA, he was cycling around London in a different company uniform, waiting for a job to come through and was self-employed apparently. |
Was he paid commission only for both jobs, or did the employed one carry a basic + commission, with set hours? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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They buy them, £50 for a spaz box https://deliveroorider.com/category/kit Another really weird thing with the company I worked for, the gear was branded with their logo, so they paid for it.
EDIT: it might have changed 'The same driver said they normally only manage one delivery per hour meaning a £8 an hour wage under the old system and £4 under the alternative system.' Amazing |
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This smacks of the tube drivers going on strike because they wanted triple pay on Boxing Day. Why take a job, agreeing to the terms of the contract (i.e. you get double on Boxing Day which by the way is a very nice sum of money considering their basic hourly rate), and then later down the line hold the capital to ransom by going on strike just because you fancy a bit extra which you're not entitled to?
They know what they had signed up to when they took the job. Same as Uber drivers. If you don't like it fucking take up gardening or something.
I've took a zero hours contract in December to supplement my income from my business as I have guys working for me and most days there's not a lot for me to do once the admin etc. is done. It's driving gritter/snow plough lorries. The terms are one week on call, one week off. £125 per week for the weeks you're on call plus £11.34 per hour if you get a call-out (but the hours are always vastly rounded up, a run can take 1.5 hours and we always get paid for 4 hours). That's not fantastic money but it's a nice top-up. One thing I do know though, it's a zero hours contract, it's one grade up from being self-employed in terms of protection and benefits. If I can't do a shift for whatever reason, maybe I'm busy with my own business or maybe I've got something socially to do or maybe I wanna sit on the sofa picking my nose, it's zero hours so I just tell them I'm not coming in. They're not obliged to give me work and I'm not obliged to accept it, but they're not allowed to penalise me for refusing any work. If they did I'd be straight down the employment tribunal. But I accepted the terms when I took the job. I wouldn't take the job and then start demanding more hours or more money and going on protest if I wasn't getting what I wanted.
I'd have stayed in the van and pushed through at 0.5mph. Getting out was a bad move... ____________________ Must Go Faster
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G wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | Deliveroo workers are paid commission only for jobs they do at hours they pick and choose. |
Can they pick and choose them?
Many of the issues is that they effectively aren't self-employed, because they can't choose things like that.
Of course, again, I'd suggest knowing this from the outset, they shouldn't accept the job. |
I'm led to believe you pick when you want to work and just log into the app when you want work
There is no set hours or rota system, but I'm guessing that work will be easier to come by in the evenings and weekends.
For this reason they are self employed. You can't have them as employees when they work if and when they want. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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But you can employ as many as you want meaning you overload the system so there are no delays for deliveries but no one earns that much money. It doesn't matter to derliveroo. They recruit with no risk to themselves, no outlays, no workers rights.
It's an employers scam, end of. |
Are you employing them or are they volunteering to do work for you?
How would you work out sick and holiday pay, when there are no set hours and it's up to the driver if and when they actually do any work?
That's not being an employee, that's offering your services as a self employed delivery driver. It's purely commission based, nobody forces them to do it, they're not under any obligation to work, it's their own choice if, when and for how long they work.
How do the delivery drivers who work for take aways do this? I'm pretty sure the guy I know who does it for extra cash in the evening, get's a cut of the bill and works on commission only in his own car.
The difference here being that he has to be there between agreed hours, but is still not an employee. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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M.C wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: | And there's why one is self employed and one employed. Deliveroo workers are paid commission only for jobs they do at hours they pick and choose. That's being self employed in my book. |
Read the link I posted above. Also have a read of this... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47110934 |
Sure, but Hermes are paying by the hour, not per drop, on controlled and rostered hours, so no different really to being employed. I can imagine HMRC clamping down on that loophole soon due to the lack of NI payments.
Deliveroo, like Uber are paying commission only, not an hourly rate and for hours chosen by the driver and driver only. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 82 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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