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Posted: 12:15 - 10 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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Yes, you'll just have to master the art of holding the bike whilst putting the paddock stand in place. |
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Most of the work of putting a bike on the centre stand should be done in the legs by pushing down on the foot lever. If you want to make it easier have someone weld a bit of an extension to the lever. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Agreed I should be able to do it, and a couple of years ago I could, but it looks like I'm on the way to having the same knackered spinal discs my mum has, so paddock stands seem to be the only solution. Anyway can someone recommend makes to go for/avoid, is a bobbin system better, can bobbins be fitted to a 2003 Fazer? ____________________ They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa, hey-hey,
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Posted: 13:21 - 10 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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Looking at pictures of the 2003 Fazer swing arm, I don't think they've got a thread which can be used for bobbins.
Cheap tubular paddock stands are to be avoided because they'll staart to twist and bend and be crap. Box section ones along the lines of the Harris stands are what you want although the Harris ones are a bit pricey! Tubular ones aren't the end of the world as long as they're not shitty ones. |
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What about a helper bar for when you need to put the stand down. Sort of like a loose extension piece that you can use for extra leverage. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Posted: 03:31 - 11 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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Swingarm pivot stands have the advantage of a big fucking lever you can pull on, whilst also using your foot, and in my case, preference of pushing the bike forwards, rather than reverse, tho I can use stand either way round.
https://i.postimg.cc/V6gHS573/IMG-20190211-020632.jpg
* Some core and back strengthening excersises might be more use if you are a fat old git like most on here. |
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These are utterly dreadful mate. Owned them. Unreliable, bent, bike fell off a couple of times and the corresponding front stand is even more horrifically bad. |
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I find the centre stand most use, in a tight parking spot, to keep the bike up-right and more easily fit in the gap, than leaning over on the kick-stand.....
The two-Ronnies digital watch sketch springs to mind, with Corbet showing off all the amazing functions of this electonical gizmo on his wrist at a railway station... then picking up his suit-cased, and adding... "mind the batteries are a bit of a bugga to lug about...."... and I have images of the bike falling over whilst you try un-bungee a paddock stand from the pillion-seat!lol!
At home; the Seven-Fifty lives in the 'stack' between the other bikes on its centre-stand, because it takes up less space in the row....
If I leave it on the side-stand.... it half covers the back door.... and at night, the dog rushes out for a wee... we hear a 'splat' as she trips over the stand, then a yelp... and she comes rushing back in, looking pitiful..... though I'm not sure this entirely depends which stand the bike's been put on! Actually... 'Staffie'... They still want to put them on the dangerous dogs-list... I'm not entirely convinced they qualify.... 'dangerous'... well there Is a definite drowning risk.. thinking of having a warning sign made "Beware the Pooch - Its like a Timex... it takes a kickin' and keeps on lickin'!" But, its so daft, and clumsy, If it had a Brain, it might be dangerous.... but I detract....
Where was I?... 'parking'.. Seven Fifty rolls onto its centre stand fairly easily, I have to say... its jacked 3" and the stand barely lifts the back wheel off the floor! Actually have to make sure its not on the 'low' paving slab or it does actually 'wobble'! The 125's are actually harder a lot of the time, probably down to the lower ground clearance and 'weak' centre-stand foot-levers.... which is worth a mention actually.
Snowie struggled horrendously with the Super-Dream centre stand trying to get the knack for her CBT and Mod1 'Manual Handling'... spent quite a bit of time muggering around with that, and trying to get the pivot actually pivoting properly... which on the latest one-done, was actually to chuck away the horrible plate-steel pivot-tube, the stand don't turn on, twisting instead in the usually ovulated bracket holes in the frame; replacing the pivot with an old wheel bolt/axle, and putting some turned down top-hat bushes into both the ovalated frame luggs and the stand to take it... makes a HUGE difference to actually have a stand that 'hinges' properly.....
LOL! Sorry, aside having just mentioned the mutt, I HAVE to interject! Pooch was whiniking at the back door to be let out, so I went and put the kettle on and opened the door..... whinicking stopped, pooch tumbled out, and STOPPED exactly next to the Seven-Fifty's side stand... looked over her shoulder at me, sort of "Ha! Didn't get me THIS time!"..... and ran straight into a Super-Dream! Lol! Where was I?
Oh yeah! Centre stand! Makes a HUGE difference if the stands 'good' and not wobbling around on a crusty old pivot, more still that the stand isn't rotten and weak and wobbly, with the 'feet' often rusted through, and that the lift-lever on the side is straight and strong....
Whether parking at home, or anywhere else.
At home. The paddock stands, are generally only used during renovation works or major service. It IS easier with the leverage of the stand arm to lift a bike with one... but as has been mentioned.... getting the dang bike 'straight' and on the cups to be able to lift it onto the paddoc to start, makes the job as or harder than using the centre stand as designed.
So, really, I don't think that a paddock stand is likely much of a solution to much here, all told, and could make as many problems as it solves.
And you may be as well off, either way to pay a little bit of remedial on the centre stand as is, to see if you cant make it any easier to use.
And avoid Staffies! unless you are wearing full armour and water-proofs! Lol! Maybe they are right to want to put the PIT-Bum-Terrible on the Dangerous Dogs list!
Post script:-
Just a thought come back to me. On the Seven-Fifty, when I last tore down and painted, the bottom 'feet' of the centre stand had worn so thin, there were actually holes through to the tube. But flash-back was to a rally, where chap was very proud to show me that he had made 'new' feet for his bikes centre-stand, and welded them over the originals. The plates he made the feet from were larger, so they spread the weight better on soft ground, like at a rally, they were also curved, so the bike rolled them onto the stand as you pulled it back, but also, the 1/2 inch or so they added to the stands height, meant that it 'lifted' the wheel off the ground that bit earlier.
As suggested, looking at the stand, a little remedial might help a lot, and a little adaptation like that could make it a lot easier to use.
Further 'thunk' about the lift-heights, makes me wonder whether that may be something to investigate also. Adding length to the stand, begs the notion that it would try and lift the bike further when used, so possible harder to lift, in the opposite way that the Seven-Fifty, jacked up so much, rolls on the stand really easy, only lifting the back wheel maybe 1/2" or so off the floor.
Perhaps, a plank of wood, under where you put the stand down, to give it a little extra length and less of a lift, might be all that you need... or offer insight for messings to do something else to make it easier to park? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Another option Andy is a front wheel chock. That leaves the bike upright and stable so using a rear stand would be a simple matter. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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I dropped my VFR once trying to get it on the centre stand and rocking - it didn't have enough backward momentum to make it over the pivot hump and when it rolled off the stand again it fell away from me.
Forget putting weight on it and pulling - I weigh about 55kg, the only way I could get it on the stand with confidence was on a slight upward incline, so that gravity was lending backward momentum.
Simulating an upward incline if one isn't available would be my only tip. Abba stand or similar is fine but a faff compared with the centre stand, adds a good 10 minutes getting it out, putting it on, taking it off and putting it away if you're doing something that shouldn't take long, like greasing the chain. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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ADSrox0r wrote: | VFR is hideously heavy to get on the stand if you haven't got the weight to pivot it. I'm a gorilla but even then some days it takes two goes, it does take your full body weight on it at just the right moment.
And picking up a dropped VFR? Yeah, only had to do that twice....adrenaline, and do it in one otherwise she's having a nice long nap. |
I find the Viffer easier to get on the centre stand than my 125. Really. Stomp on the sticky outy bit and up it goes.
That said, I am 6'3", but the 125 is definately far harder to get on the stand. You have to haul on the brab handle or sissy bar a good bit, as well as somping on the sticky outy bit.
Thankfully, I've only dropped the Viffer once. I'd already pushed her over a mile, covered in oil, and she got away from me bumping her up a kerb. Up in one, but it wasn't easy, she carries her weight high. ____________________ '98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine) |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 73 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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