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Jim Mc
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 20 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like mine. Very flickable for filtering through traffic. Dead reliable. Sexy AF.

Generally quick enough for me, but what you'll start to notice is you've not got the grunt on the mid-range which is well documented online. If you're travelling at 20-40 and need to do a quick overtake it takes a few seconds for the revs and speedo to climb adequately. It doesn't have the mid-range torque you need for quick overtaking.

It's a track bike and meant to going fast all of the time it's tuned for high revs, high speed. I get dropped by older heavier bikes in twisties, and have struggled with certain fast cars as a result.

Also a bit shit in car parks where low speed and tight corners is concerned.

Those are the only negatives really and not important in the grand scheme of things.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 20 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Generally quick enough for me, but what you'll start to notice is you've not got the grunt on the mid-range which is well documented online. If you're travelling at 20-40 and need to do a quick overtake it takes a few seconds for the revs and speedo to climb adequately. It doesn't have the mid-range torque you need for quick overtaking.

Glad you mentioned the grunt between 20-40 I have noticed that a couple of times since owning the bike. But as you say it’s far more comfortable at higher revs. And filtering and playing in traffic it handles like a dream. I’m more than happy with my purchase, I’ve got it in the blue and it’s so bloody gorgeous to look at. And even more fun to ride.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 20 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree with Marje on most of his points, but from a different perspective.

If you cock up and kill yourself, I don't care, that's your choice. The reason I wouldn't go for that sort of bike as a first bike is that you don't get to enjoy the incremental advances in power and really learning to ride.

Most of us on here started out on 125s as teenagers, then moved on to 400s or 500s with 50-60hp, then on to 100hp+ bikes. Riding a 125 for a year really teaches you how to ride. You don't have any power, so you learn to get the most out of the bike and how to corner well. Then when you move up to 60hp it feels really quick.

The only thing to move up to from a CBR6rr is a litre class sportsbike. That makes it hard to have fun at legal speeds.

Its like moving right onto a heroin addiction without enjoying all the other drugs along the way.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jim Mc wrote:

It's a track bike and meant to going fast all of the time it's tuned for high revs, high speed. I get dropped by older heavier bikes in twisties, and have struggled with certain fast cars as a result.

Also a bit shit in car parks where low speed and tight corners is concerned.

Those are the only negatives really and not important in the grand scheme of things.


I think this nicely covers why it's better to start on a smaller bike and work your way up!
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't really get that argument, you carry speed through corners on a tiddler cos you have to, big bikes are more point and squirt. I didn't learn anything unique on a 50bhp bike compared to a 100bhp machine, and I'd probably have to continue riding a 125 or similarly light/underpowered motorcycle to keep up that way of cornering.
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Let's face it, modern sports bikes just aren't right for road use, full stop. You can't learn to get the best out of them on the road without extreme risk to your life. Perhaps they should only be sold as track bikes, illegal for the road?
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Let's face it, modern sports bikes just aren't right for road use, full stop. You can't learn to get the best out of them on the road without extreme risk to your life. Perhaps they should only be sold as track bikes, illegal for the road?


I think you're the one who's arguing that, but I reckon a more experienced rider would not be shocked by ANY car on a 600RR on the road, nor could be caught out by other riders in corners on heavier slower bikes.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Confused Cars corner faster than bikes, the size of your wallet doesn't determine your riding skill.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good thing, that.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Confused Cars corner faster than bikes, the size of your wallet doesn't determine your riding skill.


No one is disputing that, but how many car drivers can exploit a car powerful enough to embarrass a 600RR on the road? I don't know any off hand. Also I took that post to mean in a straight line as the bike vs car part, else why would the lack of midrange be relevant? You don't use excessive grunt when leant over do you?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Let's face it, modern sports bikes just aren't right for road use, full stop. You can't learn to get the best out of them on the road without extreme risk to your life. Perhaps they should only be sold as track bikes, illegal for the road?


I think you're the one who's arguing that, but I reckon a more experienced rider would not be shocked by ANY car on a 600RR on the road, nor could be caught out by other riders in corners on heavier slower bikes.


I don't quite get your point there?
I have only been arguing that it's up to the OP what he buys and rides, and if he is happy with his choice, I don't see why I should be down on him for it. He asked for riding tips, not what bike he should get.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't quite get your point there?
I have only been arguing that it's up to the OP what he buys and rides, and if he is happy with his choice, I don't see why I should be down on him for it. He asked for riding tips, not what bike he should get.


I was referring to Jim Mc saying he can't do certain things, which (IMO) he may have a better ability to do with that bike had he spent more time on smaller bikes first before moving to the big bike. Once you get on a capable bike, a bike that is FAR more capable than the rider, you learn a lot less IMO. I suppose that is my point.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
M.C wrote:
Confused Cars corner faster than bikes, the size of your wallet doesn't determine your riding skill.


No one is disputing that, but how many car drivers can exploit a car powerful enough to embarrass a 600RR on the road? I don't know any off hand. Also I took that post to mean in a straight line as the bike vs car part, else why would the lack of midrange be relevant? You don't use excessive grunt when leant over do you?

Jim Mc wrote:
It's a track bike and meant to going fast all of the time it's tuned for high revs, high speed. I get dropped by older heavier bikes in twisties, and have struggled with certain fast cars as a result.

I read that as struggling through corners. A Ford Mondeo driven well can out corner a power ranger, especially if that power ranger has more money than riding skill which more often than not seems to be the case.

'Fast cars' are still slow compared to bikes, unless its just not wanting to go that quickly due to road conditions, if you're losing out to any cage on the straights you're doing something very very wrong.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
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I don't quite get your point there?
I have only been arguing that it's up to the OP what he buys and rides, and if he is happy with his choice, I don't see why I should be down on him for it. He asked for riding tips, not what bike he should get.


I was referring to Jim Mc saying he can't do certain things, which (IMO) he may have a better ability to do with that bike had he spent more time on smaller bikes first before moving to the big bike. Once you get on a capable bike, a bike that is FAR more capable than the rider, you learn a lot less IMO. I suppose that is my point.


So you can't offer him any riding tips, because you think he can't learn anything on this bike anyway then?

How about suggesting he drops his inside shoulder when cornering, shifts over on the seat a bit, experiment at slower speeds with counter-steering effects, experiment with pushing down on the foot pegs in corners etc? Can't you do these things on this bike? What exactly is it you are saying he can't learn on a CBR600RR? What do you think he can learn?* I mean, I get that he won't be able to post fantastic lap times for a while - but then again, who knows? Maybe he'll turn out to be a 'natural'?

*Perhaps he can learn to smile? Sorry, my turn to be facetious Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
How about suggesting he drops his inside shoulder when cornering, shifts over on the seat a bit, experiment at slower speeds with counter-steering effects, experiment with pushing down on the foot pegs in corners etc? Can't you do these things on this bike? What exactly is it you are saying he can't learn on a CBR600RR? What do you think he can learn?* I mean, I get that he won't be able to post fantastic lap times for a while - but then again, who knows? Maybe he'll turn out to be a 'natural'?

*Perhaps he can learn to smile? Sorry, my turn to be facetious Laughing


If he wants riding tips, then just subscribe to 'Life at lean' on Youtube, and watch his tips. I can give him one or two pointers, as can you but I can't flipping well teach him how to ride in one easy paragraph on a forum!

If he spent a few weekends riding with me, I could probably make him a better rider, but honestly? You think just telling him to drop his shoulder in a corner is going to help in any meaningful way?

I have been helping the GF out, having been through the formative stages of her riding career, and I've made her a better rider than I was after the same amount of time. She didn't have to learn from her mistakes in the same way I did, and she now has the road awareness and machine control to confidently handle her ER6. I still wouldn't want her to take my 600RR out though. I've been following her and observing her riding each time we go out, and I have also had to keep in mind that she's my girlfriend, and so I have to phrase my advice in a very careful way.

Looking at how I learned, I think I can be reasonably certain if I spent my first year of riding on a bike like a 600RR I probably would either have had a crash bad enough to put me off riding or worse.

I could now go onto a tirade about how weighting footpegs is entirely psychological, about counter steering being the only method of bike control worth it's salt, about how you need to avoid getting into a situation where you can physically interact with other traffic, how most accidents on motorcycles are single vehicle accidents etc etc... but it's pretty pointless seeing as:

a) That is basically my view of motorcycling, and although I've been working with my other half to improve her riding, I don't necessarily think it's the right thing to teach everyone at such an early stage of riding.

and

b) Someone will no doubt say I'm wrong and rip me to shreds anyway. On that basis, it's bloody difficult to get decent advice on internet forums and facebook, especially as the people who don't know what they are talking about are just as loud as those who are, and new riders aren't even experienced to pick out the good from the bad.

He should do what we ALL should have done, and that is seek out specialist tuition. However, if you're a new rider and arrogant/Dunning Krueger enough to buy a 600RR, you're probably too arrogant/Dunning Krueger to listen to advice, or seek out tuition.

Having helped to teach various subjects in my lifetime I can tell you that it's impossible to impart all of the information at once, and you have to start with the easy layers and get the student to master THAT before you go on to the complex stuff. If you're looking at ten or so layers of learning to ride from complete L plate newb to superbike master, footpeg weighting (if such a thing even really helps) is somewhere around layer 5 or so if not higher. No point running before you can walk, and no point riding a 600RR before you can actually ride.

Of course, as before I put the caveat that this is all in my opinion, and that is where these kind of things fall down. It's all opinion at the end of the day, and really the only way the OP or anyone else who has ridden nothing but a 600RR is going to properly improve is to seek out decent professional tuition.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:


If he wants riding tips, then just subscribe to 'Life at lean' on Youtube, and watch his tips. I can give him one or two pointers, as can you but I can't flipping well teach him how to ride in one easy paragraph on a forum!

If he spent a few weekends riding with me, I could probably make him a better rider, but honestly? You think just telling him to drop his shoulder in a corner is going to help in any meaningful way?

I have been helping the GF out, having been through the formative stages of her riding career, and I've made her a better rider than I was after the same amount of time. She didn't have to learn from her mistakes in the same way I did, and she now has the road awareness and machine control to confidently handle her ER6. I still wouldn't want her to take my 600RR out though. I've been following her and observing her riding each time we go out, and I have also had to keep in mind that she's my girlfriend, and so I have to phrase my advice in a very careful way.

I think I can be reasonably certain if I spent my first year of riding on a bike like a 600RR I probably would either have had a crash bad enough to put me off riding or worse.

I could go onto a tirade about how weighting footpegs is entirely psychological, about counter steering being the only method of bike control worth it's salt, about how you need to avoid getting into a situation where you can physically interact with other traffic, how most accidents on motorcycles are single vehicle accidents etc etc... but it's pretty pointless seeing as

a) That is basically my view of motorcycling, and although I've been working with my other half to improve her riding, I don't necessarily think it's the right thing to teach everyone at such an early stage of riding

and
b) someone will no doubt say I'm wrong and rip me to shreds anyway. On that basis, it's bloody difficult to get decent advice on internet forums and facebook, especially as the people who don't know what they are talking about are just as loud as those who are, and new riders aren't even experienced to pick out the good from the bad.


You could have told him most of that in your first post, instead of having a go at him for what bike he bought Laughing

I mean, anyone would think he'd gone and lumbered himself with a cruiser Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You could have told him most of that in your first post, instead of having a go at him for what bike he bought Laughing


Or, he could learn how I learned... slowly over a period of time progressing from bike to bike. It's not as efficient, but it gets the job done, and is less likely to result in a single vehicle accident (although I've had 3 of them over the years...) SO actually, by telling him to buy an ER6, I was in fact contributing some valid riding advice.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You could have told him most of that in your first post, instead of having a go at him for what bike he bought Laughing


Or, he could learn how I learned... slowly over a period of time progressing from bike to bike.


So has he completely buggered his chances of doing that now?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So has he completely buggered his chances of doing that now?


Yeah, I reckon so, or very nearly. The bike will mask bad habits, and only bite back at immensely high speeds. Things you learn on a 100 or 125 at safe speeds...
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
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So has he completely buggered his chances of doing that now?


Yeah, I reckon so, or very nearly. The bike will mask bad habits, and only bite back at immensely high speeds. Things you learn on a 100 or 125 at safe speeds...


Sorry OP, looks like it's time to quit bikes for you now Sad
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Sorry OP, looks like it's time to quit bikes for you now Sad


Or seek out professional tuition... Or buy a smaller capacity machine to ride for a bit...
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I've already forgotten everything I learnt on a 125 Smile That experience actually made a big bike a bit more dangerous at the start, as I was deliberately trying to ride it in the same way as a tiddler, carrying high cornering speed when you don't really need to and with the extra weight being unable to wrestle the bike back if it goes wrong.
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Sorry OP, looks like it's time to quit bikes for you now Sad


Or buy a smaller capacity machine to ride for a bit...


I didn't think capacity was the problem here?

How do you learn to handle power if you never ride a powerful bike? How do you learn about riding a good handling bike if you never ride one? M.C has a good point. You change your approach for almost every bike you ride. So whilst there are things he could learn better on other bikes, to learn how to ride a sports bike with little mid-range it's surely better to ride a sports bike with little mid range? If he learns to ride, say, an ER6 first, he's still going to have to change how he rides again when he comes back to the CBR. Conversely, he could get maybe (for argument's sake only, honest! Laughing ) a cruiser next. Will he be able to ride that in the same way?
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Things you learn on a 100 or 125 at safe speeds...


...might seem a bit tame coming from an off-roading background Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 21 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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Things you learn on a 100 or 125 at safe speeds...


...might seem a bit tame coming from an off-roading background Laughing


Perhaps, I was considering my own experience. And by 'small capacity' of course I mean less powerful and probably heavier too.
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