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The next car I want has it. So I'll just dispense with using the handbrake and neutral gear if it's obtrusive. So to avoid
being eco'd against my will, I shall simply drive in a less "safe™" manner to avoid triggering it. Same thing with that, you
have to turn it off each journey. Is there not a fuse you can pull PB? That's the first thing I'll be hunting for or maybe
disconnecting the dash switch might disable the system too. Had S/S on a hired Clio when I went to Monaco a few years back,
got on my tits it did. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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It's just another system with a myriad of sensors and doodads that can go wrong and will be expensive to replace. Annoyed the fuck out of me in the cars I've driven with it. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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I suspect the folk who hate it, are either using old/crap systems, or those commonly found on diesels, as i have driven quite a few cars now with Stop/Start, and only ever found it intrusive on an older diesel Passat (most noticable by the clatter of the engine starting up)
On the newer MINI's and Honda Jazz petrol cars it is barely even noticeable, and is uncanny at knowing when you want it to start up again, even thinking about pressing the clutch seems to bring the Jazz engine back to life, but being a relatively small engined car with a quiet engine to start with, unless you are looking at the rev counter, you would hardly know it has stopped or started, and neither car has ever failed to start when needed ____________________ Current Bike: Honda CG125 ES4 // Honda CB600FS Hornet // Triumph Street Triple R |
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My Fabia has Stop/Start and a push to start button
Doesn't often come on in the colder months. Handy in the summer when stuck in traffic for a long time.
Only time I've ever found it irritating is if I've stalled and I try to restart the car. It's usually kicked itself back in and I end up turning the car off! |
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The stop-start on my van is finally broken.
My understanding is it's not powered by the battery anyway. I thought it was an accumulator that spins up with the last of the engine revs.
In any case. I dipped the clutch, started to let it out, engine spun as if to start, failed to do so and left the nose of the van sticking 2 feet out into the junction with the central console reading "Error. Stop-start deactivated". or words to that effect. I then had to turn the key the way off before I could work the starter leaving me stuck out in the junction for longer than was healthy.
Happily nothing was coming.
Even more happily, it now defaults to start-stop off. The main dealer neither noticed nor mentioned this when it went in for its first service. Nor did they fix its tendancy to reset itself to kmh, lock-out all the radio controls or reset the language settings to French
Yay, Citroen. So I killed this "reliable" system to the point of potentially crash-inducing failure in less than 18 months.
Stop-start also makes you ride the clutch. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Define old? My car is nearly 12 years old, has a 5 star NCAP rating, doesn't feel/drive like an old car. The only thing I don't like is paying £230 a year 'road tax', apparently a 1.6L petrol kills many polarbears |
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stinkwheel wrote: | The stop-start on my van is finally broken.
My understanding is it's not powered by the battery anyway. I thought it was an accumulator that spins up with the last of the engine revs.
In any case. I dipped the clutch, started to let it out, engine spun as if to start, failed to do so and left the nose of the van sticking 2 feet out into the junction with the central console reading "Error. Stop-start deactivated". or words to that effect. I then had to turn the key the way off before I could work the starter leaving me stuck out in the junction for longer than was healthy.
Happily nothing was coming.
Even more happily, it now defaults to start-stop off. The main dealer neither noticed nor mentioned this when it went in for its first service. Nor did they fix its tendancy to reset itself to kmh, lock-out all the radio controls or reset the language settings to French
Yay, Citroen. So I killed this "reliable" system to the point of potentially crash-inducing failure in less than 18 months.
Stop-start also makes you ride the clutch. |
The only way it could have resulted in the nose of the vehicle sticking out of a junction is if you lifted the clutch as it was starting and if you do that, itll then stop (most modern cars have a clutch switch interlock).
You can do the same if you dip the clutch, press the starter button and then raise the clutch immediately, it'll cut off again.
chris-red wrote: | My missus has it on her fiat 500, it's a bit naff, she has a button to turn it off which is now a part of her the starting routine. It's fine for traffic lights but shit for junctions. Other downside is a new battery for her car in £200+! It's a 1.2 FFS, my 2.5 litre Scooby cost £55 for a new battery.
It's starting to go I think this winter the stop start rarely kicks in however the car still starts with no hesitation, the battery is 8 years old TBF. |
Why does it affect junctions? Most only switch off when youre out of gear with the clutch released so if youre sat at a junction and its your turn to go (in gear, foot on clutch) then it's not doing anything.
Sister Sledge wrote: | ^^ That. My location here is mostly free running traffic with very few waits and no long waits. Stop start for me is pointless but I do also see the benefits. |
Exactly this, it's horses for courses. On my normal commute, the Mrs car never stops. On hers it stops for a minute or two four or five times as she heads into town. Much the same as hybrids, the extra 20mpg is totally irrelevant, the issue is air quality in urban areas. Your hybrid allows you to leave your house on electric, when you hit a normal road the engine kicks in to provide the extra power and charge the batteries and then the last few miles to work in stop start traffic are done on electric so all the emissions are waaay out of town and minimised by running the engine efficiently and warming it up quickly. |
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chris-red Have you considered a TDM?
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 64 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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