A2 licence and 47bhp limit associated with Brexit

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[B5234FT]

Yep, but if people want to go out testing the capabilities of an R1, then they can pay for track school themselves.

No point in forcing your commuter on his 400 scooter to attend a 5 day course in fast road riding.

Tbh, the problem isnt really a lack of riding ability, it's confidence in excess of ability, and enhancing ability and providing a test certificate is only going to make that worse in the absence of real world experience

[Ste]

Just a mandatory 5 day course taken on a dedicated track?

The DVSA and powers that be don't want to teach people to ride (or drive) at speed.

[Teflon-Mike]

- There are 60 million people in the UK.
- Over half of the UK population hold a full driving licence
- There are more cars, registered and taxed for the road, than there are people qualified to drive them all.
- Approximately only 1% of all vehicle miles on UK roads are completed by motorcycle.
- About half of all motorcycles in the UK are ridden on L-Plates.
- Approximately 5% of the population is gay!

Ie, BIKES, in total, are of inordinately little interest to the UK population as a whole, more than 5x the number are interested in 'Gay-Rights'. And A2 Licence regs? Of interest to oooh... well, lets see. Average life span in the UK is approximately 80 years. A2 is only of relevance, really to 19-24 year olds, 5-years, so 6% of all 'bikers', who are a tiny minority to start with!

Ie there are more folk effected by such issues as gay-marriage, and far more significantly in their existence, than whether they can have a motorbike, of ANY displacement or power, let alone an A2 licence. If they made it illegal to be homosexual in the UK again... folk would still be gay. If they banned all motorcycles from the public roads; folk would still be able to get to work by car or bus or train or what-not!

REALLY, motorcycling in the UK is a political non-entity! And has been for probably half a century! And we have survived as well as we have, pretty much because we just dont pop up on the radar too often! And when we have... its usually been in a negative way, such as the Mods'n'Rockers of the '60's or the helmetless hells-agels of the '70's, or the byke-laff loons of today.....

A-N-D, extrapolate the issue out of the folk that it directly effects; that mere parts-per-million fraction of a fraction in the 19-24 age group..... How many are going to vote one way of the other, because one political party has the suggestion it might lift the A2 power limit, or re-introduce the auto-upgrade after two-years of the old 33bhp power probation, or make any other significant change to the regs?

Polls suggest that most under 25's dont bleedin vote ANYWAY! And even if they all did, and their older mates or parents did.... how many might vote for the party that offers them an easier, less restrictive motorbike licence compared to the one who say, offers to reduce student loan burdens or raise NMW levels, or legalise cannabis! This is NOT really a key issue! It will NOT swing an election one way or another.

SO! If its not a manifesto issue? Where might it get promoted? And the answer is in image-politics where one party might use it as a hobby-horse to say they did 'something' that might make them seem, well, effective would be a start, I suppose? Sympathetic maybe? Yeah, well, even there, its of such lowly interest to the general population its NOT really a topic that is likely to win any politicians much favour, with very many people..... a-n-d... politicians are just that; and few are likely to want to pin thier colours to ANY motor-vehicle associated topic when motor-vehicles in general are such an unfashionable topic, anyway!

The tiered licence system, is a political camel to start with; with very little relevance to the aims it was suggested it was intended to tackle. Its not really tiered for starters! Its the same damn test for each suggested licence group! The only difference between them is how old you have to be to do the tests!!! There's eff all in them to ensure that supposedly 'higher' licence holders are in any way better trained or better qualified or more experienced than 'lower' ones!

It was, essentially an AWFUL lot of Machiavellian political 'expedience' that contrived the system as it stands; and significantly, dangle the 'carrot' of less punitive restriction to larger displacement motorcycles, in countries such as France and Italy, in exchange for adopting the more punitive restriction of the light-weight licences that in many durastictions lifted age eligibilities and imposed tests!

Post Brexit? Yes, we could re-make laws more 'sensibly', and potentially do away with the camel for all Europe we were lumbered with, and either make a genuinely 'stepped and progressive' system, NOT based on arbitrary age limits but actual rider ability, or simply abolish the draconian impediments.... BUT... we are talking politicians.... and when has 'common sense' ever applied to political policy?

IF we chucked the whole plot away, and contrived a completely new motorbike or even entire motor-vehicle licencing system... would we likely end up with anything an awful lot better for any-one than what we got now? Give the quango's yet another crack at the cherry, history would suggest its just another opportunity for foul-up! and so often better the devil you know! At least we can manage THIS lot of Westminster cods... who knows how big a hash they would make of it given another shot!

AND STILL, with such a small % of road miles being by motorbike....... more people would be effected by gay-partner pensions, than changes to the A2 licence laws.... and there would be far more folk prepared to get off the fence and fight the debate one way or t'other, and far more political mileage to be made from getting on that band-wagon than there EVER will be, in revisions to the A2 Motorcycle Licence laws!

Which is a rather cynical view of politics in general, I'm afraid, but, I'm very much a (Groucho!) Marxist, and with Mark Twain on this one! IF elections (and by inference politicians!) Made a difference... we wouldn't have them!

IMO, chuck the whole lot out the window and start again.... trouble is, the Thames is already rather pouted, and sharks, I am told, wont eat their own kind! But, that IS sort of where you get to, if you start unpeeling the onion, trying to see how it might be better chopped!
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[stevo as b4]

Two pages of piffle, when the OP knew the right answer from the start. UK law won't really deviate from EU laws or policy on anything anytime soon.

Assuming we do have a clean break and a fully independent one from Europe, then it's only a possibility that way into the next government that existing laws will be put forward for changes or new very different laws put forward and passed on almost anything except stuff like minimum sentencing for knife crime.

TL:Dr Changing laws is very expensive and time consuming, and there's far more pressing UK issues in the foreseeable than changing a few laws to suit us better or make life easier.