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JackDaniels
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 14 Apr 2019    Post subject: R1150GS Vibrations through the footpegs Reply with quote

hi everyone,

i have a 2003 r1150gs with 95k on the clock, in the past couple hundred miles the footpegs have started vibrating quite badly whilst riding along, i have balanced the throttle bodies the best i can, have given it a full service and done the valve clearances.

if i pull the clutch in whilst riding along the vibrations completely disappear, im unsure now as to what it could be causing them, it has only started recently.

i took it for an mot last month and was told that my rear shock has lost all its dampning so i have a shock on order and im hoping that may fix it but just thought id see if anyone else had any ideas whilst im waiting for it to arrive.

thanks
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 14 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably when you pull the clutch in you're also letting the revs drop to idle. That means the gearbox and final drive aren't causing the problem, so it must be the engine or the clutch causing the vibration.

For an experiment, you can try pulling in the clutch but keeping the revs up. That will tell you if it's a problem from something rotating at a certain speed, or if it only happens when the engine is under load.

Assuming it is only happening with the engine under load, my first thought is throttle body balancing. You say you've tried to balance them, but you don't seem that confident.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 14 Apr 2019    Post subject: Re: R1150GS Vibrations through the footpegs Reply with quote

JackDaniels wrote:
if i pull the clutch in whilst riding along the vibrations completely disappear,


The clutch bearing probably needs replacing.

Thinking of it, that would work the other way around. No vibration when engaged, a lot's of vibration when disengaged. Thinking

EDIT: I still think it's the clutch.
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 15 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

""""EDIT: I still think it's the clutch.""
Me too.
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JackDaniels
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 15 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Presumably when you pull the clutch in you're also letting the revs drop to idle. That means the gearbox and final drive aren't causing the problem, so it must be the engine or the clutch causing the vibration.

For an experiment, you can try pulling in the clutch but keeping the revs up. That will tell you if it's a problem from something rotating at a certain speed, or if it only happens when the engine is under load.

Assuming it is only happening with the engine under load, my first thought is throttle body balancing. You say you've tried to balance them, but you don't seem that confident.


I gave it a go on my way to work this morning I squeezed the clutch in and let the revs stay around 3.5k as that's where the vibrations occur and they remain, so it must be something to do with the engine.

I have bought a Morgan carb tune is this suitable for balancing the throttle bodies I've got it as close as I can using that the 2 rods stay next to each other throughout the rev range.

Thanks
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 15 Apr 2019    Post subject: Re: R1150GS Vibrations through the footpegs Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
JackDaniels wrote:
if i pull the clutch in whilst riding along the vibrations completely disappear,


The clutch bearing probably needs replacing.

Thinking of it, that would work the other way around. No vibration when engaged, a lot's of vibration when disengaged. Thinking

EDIT: I still think it's the clutch.


Is there anything I can do to check the clutch without stripping the bike down?

Itd say its a medium vibration nothing major but enough to be annoying but definitely wasn't there when I bought the bike.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 15 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The carbtune would be the right tool, and it sounds like you have them balanced.

For anyone saying clutch bearing, this bike runs a car-type 3 piece dry clutch. The only bearing is the release bearing, which is only in play when the clutch lever is pulled in. If the clutch was out of alignment it would be juddering when you pull away.

So it sounds like the gearbox and final drive are not an issue. The clutch is unlikely to be an issue. The throttle bodies are synchronised. The valve clearance have been done.

The vibration appears to be coming from the engine, at around 3500 rpm.

I'm out of ideas. Don't know enough about the bike. Next place I would look on any bike would be engine mounts. With rubber mounts I'm looking for a collapsed one allowing it to transmit vibration, with solid ones I'm looking for loose bolts allowing it to amplify vibration at certain harmonics.
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