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PostPosted: 08:41 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you noticed how many black people there are in the Extinction Rebellion protests?


Tut Tut That's naughty. You will be saying they are too busy stabbing each other next.


Not me, it's them racist factual statistics saying it. Shhh!
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Errrrrr, it's to do with the lack of racial diversity in Extinction Rebellion. I'm sure they're got every gender and sexual orientation known to mankind and some which have yet to be discovered.

They claim to be "working to improve diversity in our movement" so they know that they're racist. Razz


There was that wimmins' group in 'murica that had that problem:

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/01/05/california-womens-march-rally-canceled-overwhelmingly-white/
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We can't forecast the weather with 100% certainty so how can scientists predict climate change?


They can't. They've grossly exaggerated and been wrong so far on just about every prediction. Much like all other walks of self serving project fear, it's pedalled by those with a vested interest and lapped up by the hard of thinking.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at things this way: Scientists are basically skint and desperate for another research project to work on. Sure they have morals but if it means the difference between eating or not, they'll choose to eat and provide research papers for their sponsors (insert governments, action groups etc) that really don't give the whole story.
Not sure about how desperate they are for work? Animal testing on primates is a big thing in Holland. The scientists working at the sites are very much against doing what they do but it pays their bills. Their excuse is it 'helps human kind' which yes it does but what utter cnuts..

Anyway, predictions by scientists are like someone attempting to map a beach - it changes by the minute.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seven Extinction Rebellion (XR) activists have glued themselves to the London Stock Exchange, while others have climbed on top of a train at Canary Wharf station as part of a planned day of protest against the finance industry.

Two men and five women, wearings LED signs reading: "Climate emergency", "Tell the truth" and "You can't eat money", linked arms outside the financial institution before 7am.

Extinction Rebellion named the activists on its website and gave their ages and occupations.

They include Alan Heath, 55, a research scientist, Jen Witts, 38, a support worker, Sian Vaughan 53, a retired head teacher, Debbie Rees, 57, a gardener and artist, Kef Shimidzu, 55, a tutor, Lucy Galvin, 53, a civil servant and Johnny Woon, 60, who is retired.

A further six protesters, five men and one woman, also from Extinction Rebellion also blocked a second entrance to the stock exchange.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/25/extinction-rebellion-activists-glued-london-stock-exchange-top/

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PostPosted: 09:19 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
protest against the finance industry.

They include Alan Heath, 55, a research scientist, Jen Witts, 38, a support worker, Sian Vaughan 53, a retired head teacher, Debbie Rees, 57, a gardener and artist, Kef Shimidzu, 55, a tutor, Lucy Galvin, 53, a civil servant and Johnny Woon, 60, who is retired.



So all public sector or privileged early retired, all who would have benefited from the finance industry with loans and investment banking in one way or another. Those "retired in your 50's pension pots" don't fill themselves.

Wouldn't it be nice to retire in your 50's and lecture the rest of us on how we should live our less privileged lives? Of course, this lot don't do foreign holidays or flights, because that would be hypocritical.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy Tiger,

You are implying that the opinion of a certain sector of society is less valid than other people's. Next you'll be suggesting a ban from social media...
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Easy Tiger,

You are implying that the opinion of a certain sector of society is less valid than other people's. Next you'll be suggesting a ban from social media...


No, you're not having that one.

These hypocritical fuckwits are not just airing that opinion on social media, they're physically disrupting the lives of others, whilst at the same time, forcibly silencing any opposing views. I think they should be entitled to their views on social media, just like they should allow people like Robinson, theirs. They don't.

Forcibly silencing opposition and forcing your views on the general public, whilst punishing them is fascism of the highest order.

It wouldn't be half as bad if they practised what they preach, but it's these fuckwits causing the damage to the planet, not the more sensible people like me, who they want to punish.
I haven't flown on a plane for 7 years, my energy bills are £60 a month for both gas and electric, I don't waste any food - it gets composted or doesn't come out of the freezer if it's not going to be used. I grow much of my own fruit and veg, make my own cider and wine, reuse bottles and packaging, I walk wherever possible, I use public transport rather than driving a lot, my mileage for all vehicles is under 8,000 a year, I work from home the majority of the time, I use older vehicles and fix/maintain to a high standard, rather than buying new every 3 years on PCP.

It's not people like me who are the problem, it's the hypocrites telling me I'm the problem. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do all those things, they won't be saying that you are the problem.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
They include Alan Heath, 55, a research scientist, Jen Witts, 38, a support worker, Sian Vaughan 53, a retired head teacher, Debbie Rees, 57, a gardener and artist, Kef Shimidzu, 55, a tutor, Lucy Galvin, 53, a civil servant and Johnny Woon, 60, who is retired.


Mostly old ppl...precisely the ppl we're told to ignore with regards to Brexit! Why should we listen to them about climate change when they won't live long enough to see its effects Razz
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you do all those things, they won't be saying that you are the problem.


This lot are blaming everyone but themselves, when itís their generation and type who are the problem.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweeping statement. How do you know they not there because of guilt?
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sweeping statement. How do you know they not there because of guilt?


If they're doing this because of guilt, wouldn't it make more sense to change their ways, stay at home and create less carbon emissions?

It's bullshit, they're blaming everyone but themselves. Today they were blaming the finance industry, last week it was the Tory government, the week before it was old people.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have more respect for them if instead of gluing themselves to random objects they set themselves alight, Tibetan monk style... they'd have to source some bio-diesel or ethanol to remain carbon-neutral ofc.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember at school in the 1990's we were taught the years when we'd run out of raw materials.
By now we should be out of Coal, Oil, and Aluminium.
In fact we wouldn't ever "run out". These materials would become so scarce they would be too expensive.

The other thing I was taught was rising sea levels due to melting icebergs. This is not strictly correct. Melting ice from the land (e.g. Antarctica yes), but melting icebergs do not raise sea levels because ice has (very nearly) the same density as water.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 10 second google gave me the below:

Sauce: https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html


2015 total emissions country rank


Country & Total carbon dioxide emissions from fuel combustion (million metric tons) / per capita
1 China 9040.74 / 6.59

2 United States 4997.50 / 15.53

3 India 2066.01 / 1.58

4 Russia 1468.99 10.19

5 Japan 1141.58 / 8.99

6 Germany 729.77 / 8.93

7 South Korea 585.99 / 11.58

8 Iran 552.40 / 6.98

9 Canada 549.23 / 15.32

10 Saudi Arabia 531.46 / 16.85

11 Brazil 450.79 / 2.17

12 Mexico 442.31 / 3.66

13 Indonesia 441.91 / 1.72

14 South Africa 427.57 / 7.77

15 United Kingdom 389.75 / 5.99


China producing nearly 30 times what we do, but I guess you have to look at a combination of overall and per capita. The particularly naughty ones there I see are:
China
US
Russia
South Korea
Canada
Saudi Arabia


Maybe those friends of humanity should fcuk off over to those countries and glue themselves to shit.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you want to get hung up on facts Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
A 10 second google gave me the below:

Sauce: https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html


2015 total emissions country rank


Country & Total carbon dioxide emissions from fuel combustion (million metric tons) / per capita
1 China 9040.74 / 6.59

2 United States 4997.50 / 15.53

3 India 2066.01 / 1.58

4 Russia 1468.99 10.19

5 Japan 1141.58 / 8.99

6 Germany 729.77 / 8.93

7 South Korea 585.99 / 11.58

8 Iran 552.40 / 6.98

9 Canada 549.23 / 15.32

10 Saudi Arabia 531.46 / 16.85

11 Brazil 450.79 / 2.17

12 Mexico 442.31 / 3.66

13 Indonesia 441.91 / 1.72

14 South Africa 427.57 / 7.77

15 United Kingdom 389.75 / 5.99


China producing nearly 30 times what we do, but I guess you have to look at a combination of overall and per capita. The particularly naughty ones there I see are:
China
US
Russia
South Korea
Canada
Saudi Arabia


Maybe those friends of humanity should fcuk off over to those countries and glue themselves to shit.


whilst i agree China is the main problem its also 40 times the size of the UK so for area the UK is worse? stats can work both ways
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

AshWebster wrote:


whilst i agree China is the main problem its also 40 times the size of the UK so for area the UK is worse? stats can work both ways


Is a country's area an accurate way to depict it's contribution to the problem? Is it even a useful way?
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per capita is just a way of making everything seem better.

India, third largest emitter but one of the smallest per capita. It's only because 90% is still backwater farming which has spawned a completely different form of pollution that has devastated it's rivers but isn't included in this scenario.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

When will the world ever get it's shit together and say enough.

Too many people. Somehow we (as in the countries of the world) have to stem population growth.

However I don't hold out any real hope. If China China couldn't do it as a one party dictatorship with their single child rule, what hope has the rest of this fcuked up world population.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When will the world ever get it's shit together and say enough.

Too many people. Somehow we (as in the countries of the world) have to stem population growth.

However I don't hold out any real hope. If China China couldn't do it as a one party dictatorship with their single child rule, what hope has the rest of this fcuked up world population.


Don't worry about it. There are so many possibilities for destruction of large swathes of the human population, something will get a load of us somehow at some point. Avoid global warming, and it might be disease. Avoid that, and it may be shortages of food or other resources. Failing that, it might be a major meteor strike or volcanic event. Or maybe we'll take a more direct hand in things and nuke each other to endangered species status.

So cheer up! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or it will be something like measles. Mr. Green

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/24/measles-half-million-uk-children-unvaccinated/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6957201/Fears-measles-timebomb-half-MILLION-British-children-not-vaccinated.html
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did mention disease. Pay attention at the back please.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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When will the world ever get it's shit together and say enough.

Too many people. Somehow we (as in the countries of the world) have to stem population growth.

However I don't hold out any real hope. If China China couldn't do it as a one party dictatorship with their single child rule, what hope has the rest of this fcuked up world population.


Don't worry about it. There are so many possibilities for destruction of large swathes of the human population, something will get a load of us somehow at some point. Avoid global warming, and it might be disease. Avoid that, and it may be shortages of food or other resources. Failing that, it might be a major meteor strike or volcanic event. Or maybe we'll take a more direct hand in things and nuke each other to endangered species status.

So cheer up! Very Happy


Aww thanks, I feel much better contemplating a bit of an extinction event. Warms the cockles of my heart it does.
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