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Posted: 14:06 - 22 Jan 2023 Post subject: |
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Pete. wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | I don't think we can save the planet and population as we know it.
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Definitely not. The entire population is sure to die. |
Islander wrote: | That's the only certainty in the longer term.
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Absolute nonsense. It may be that the planet can't sustain the kind of population it has now, especially if it keeps growing, but the complete end to the human race? Ludicrous. Only if humans decide to do it to themselves.
Populations are falling rapidly worldwide. China, Russia, Europe...all are seeing population collapse where natural procreation is concerned. Disease and other blight does its work elsewhere. Nature has a habit of regulating itself. Do you think you are not part of nature? That you have risen above it (or below, as some seem to think)?
What I think would be stupid is deliberate attempts by us to eradicate large portions of our own species. That would mean that all morals are now null and void, and all you leftie loonies would have to shut up ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 14:09 - 22 Jan 2023 Post subject: |
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chickenstrip wrote: | Islander wrote: |
So you don't actually have any solutions? Fair enough. |
We have built our civilisation on fossil fuels for getting on for two centuries now. We are totally dependant on them. With the best will in the world, that's not something that can be ripped out and replaced overnight. It's not just the energy systems themselves but our entire infrastructure. And think of all the industrial processes and waste products that will be generated to do it. Net zero by 2030? Laughable. To even try to meet such targets will bring disaster.
I suggest we use nuclear power to power industry, but that means we must make it a priority now, since it takes some years to bring new reactors on line. I don't think we are doing enough here. Meanwhile, we must keep funding the research into clean energy systems, again, taking it seriously, making it a priority. We should also do as Easy suggests, continuing to make our fossil fuel usage less polluting. It may not be the end game, but for now it's what we have, proven.
What we must not do is assume we can just start to rip out all our current energy systems now, before new tech has really established itself into realistically useable replacements. All the renewable systems we talk about; wind, solar, wave...all well and good and they will undoubtedly be a part of whatever we turn to eventually. But we are far from ready to rely on those alone, if we ever will be, and I still need some convincing that will ever be the case. We have to have something that is capable of producing constant energy supplies, where we don't have to worry about days where little is produced. We don't have the energy storage tech for that yet, and frankly, relying on the weather is daft.
It is likely going to be decades before we have what we need to get rid of fossil fuels entirely.
Then there is still the little matter of all the CFCs, lead and God only knows what else we pumped into the atmosphere which will linger for maybe a century or more, continuing to do damage.
Mankind cannot exist without leaving some kind of detrimental footprint on the planet.
In short, work to improve, but at the same time, get real. |
Progress is actually being made. It's still not a good outlook at current rates but it's a lot better than it was 10 years ago.
Spot on with fission based nuclear. That's a medium term solution for baseload. We really do need to start work on operational thorium salt reactors though. They're much safer.
We need to keep going with renewable generation. The key here is a mix of technologies. Tidal generation is predictable and consistent. Solar and wind a bit less so but not entirely. With a mix of technology we can guarantee generation pretty much constantly. Pumped storage technology makes for a good ultra high capacity battery. We need to put some real effort into hydrogen powered vehicles rather than EV or ICE. I've said all this stuff before.
Nobody is suggesting we rush into ripping out old technologies immediately but we should be looking at making them more efficient and less polluting. Developing carbon capture technology is a way forward there. We also need to make domestic and commercial power consumption needs to be more efficient.
Commercial shipping (sorry Polarbear ) needs a huge kick up the arse. Some of the fuels they use are really bad news. Air transport needs to become more efficient and less polluting. In fact commercial transport generally needs to improve.
It can be done. |
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Posted: 14:52 - 22 Jan 2023 Post subject: |
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Islander wrote: | Or a large impactor could strike an ocean or large land mass. Or one of the many supervolcanos on the planet could erupt. All of these things have happened in the Earth's past with a degree of regularity and all of these caused mass extinctions. Then there's tectonics...
We're doomed as a species on Earth. It's just a matter of when and how. |
Oh, how you've changed your tune!
Careful, or you'll get cramp from all those awkward positions you're taking!
And if you want to extend it out for maybe another 4 billion years, THE PLANET is doomed by solar death. So what exactly is it we're trying to save again?
This is our time. We ought to make the most of it. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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He said the pupulation as we know it. No-one lives for ever so the current population is sure to die. |
So now we're delving into the pointless side of the discussion? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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So yes, as I said to Pete, talking natural extinction events here is delving into the pointless side of the conversation. Or just not taking part in this particular conversation at all.
Got anything to get us back on track? You and I, I think, mostly see eye to eye. We clash on use of language, maybe the current degree of the climate change problem, and perhaps a degree or two of ideology, that's all. Oh, and I don't think it's useful to preach doomsday scenarios in that context. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Islander wrote: | Knowing the extent and range of risks is important. |
But in these days of social media, you have to be careful, since there are people who immediately get frightened half to death by the extremes and then it's all they see. Be careful to couch your terms in what is actually likely, as the government's Covid advisors failed to do. Well, perhaps they just didn't know, but then they shouldn't have behaved as though they did. I can see signs of similar happening on the climate change topic. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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The whole of this conversation is pointless. Two (or more) sides fruitlessly bickering and pinch-hitting for minor points yet achieving a sum total of fuck all. |
You have a point
My excuse is boredom. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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From the people that brought you Ursine defecation habits and Papal religious choices...
CLASSIC MOTORCYCLE EMISSIONS "SO SMALL AS TO BE ALMOST INVISIBLE," REPORT FINDS
I doubt the tree-huggers will bother creating counter-propaganda so hopefully this will stay as the last word on the subject and the classic bike CC/ULEZ exemptions will stay in place. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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This is predominantly an anti-woke speech, but it's focus is climate change, as a lot of woke people suffer from climate change trauma
https://www.facebook.com/PipGogov/videos/514810630633845
Main points
UK contributes around 2% globally, so even if we disappeared it would make the square root of fcuk all different
The key polluters (e.g. China, Russia, India) have other priorities, such as getting 100's of millions out of poverty
As a country, if we're going to help, it will be by technological breakthroughs |
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"15 minute cities" is starting to give off a feudal vibe, serfs tied to the land ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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china has snooker tournaments too. And they build the equivalent of one new coal station per month.
go there...go cause chaos there, where it will actually make a difference.
either theyll stop their over-production of greenhouses gases, or they'll put you in jail.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 5 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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