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| Diggs wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | All we can do is continue to try to work in the right direction |
...and an integral part of that is allowing our kids to hold and voice opinions on the matter |
Without rabid hysteria.
I mean, did we honestly need the phenomenon of Ms. Thunberg to point any of it out to us? And I'm sorry, but some of the cynical backing her 'campaign' accepts is frankly off-putting. It's not like it wasn't on the agendas of any governments and scientific bodies already. And what practical, implementable solutions have her and her cohorts suggested?
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What Ms Thunberg and crew have done is remind politicians that lots of the up and coming electorate disagree with how quickly they are moving on climate change. That has to be a good thing, whether or not you think Greta should have spent more time behind the bike-sheds drinking cider and getting fingered instead...
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Although I'm not sure we want our kids (more accurately, your kids, since I don't have any  ) to drive policy. They're still learning. It's like putting a passenger in the pilot's seat of an airliner. They might have a basic idea of how an aeroplane flies, but that's one flight I'll skip, ta very much
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| Posted: 15:14 - 11 Aug 2020 Post subject: |
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| Diggs wrote: | What Ms Thunberg and crew have done is remind politicians that lots of the up and coming electorate disagree with how quickly they are moving on climate change. |
Again, the upcoming electorate haven't come up with any practical, implementable solutions as far as I'm aware. What would you do, now?
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I said 'remind', not 'drive'.
I wouldn't worry about being on a flight with my kids at the controls - it would never leave the ground because one of them would sleep in, one would argue that he has more important things to do (work/eat/weights/wank/sleep/repeat) and my beloved daughter wouldn't wear the uniform.
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| Diggs wrote: | I said 'remind', not 'drive'. |
Job done. Now, get rid of that dreadful avatar please.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | What would you do, now? |
I would change the vehicle taxation system so it is payable per mile, not per annum. I would compulsorily purchase a shit-load of farmland and offer it free to people willing to grow their own food in return for a reduced working week. I would ban the import of many things we can grow/produce ourselves. I would restore our inland waterway system. I would re-introduce the Derelict Land Grant to enable Local Authorities to regenerate brownfield sites etc etc etc.
Everything I'd do would move us towards a market-town based economy where we aren't reliant upon fossil fuels for much of our transportation. A bit like it was during the war if you like, when we dug for victory. Basically, people would have to spend time growing food instead of playing Candy-Crush.
I predict millions ultimately living on their land in medieval fashion and a return to some sort of feudal system but with the benefit of soap.
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| Diggs wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | What would you do, now? |
I would change the vehicle taxation system so it is payable per mile, not per annum. I would compulsorily purchase a shit-load of farmland and offer it free to people willing to grow their own food in return for a reduced working week. I would ban the import of many things we can grow/produce ourselves. I would restore our inland waterway system. I would re-introduce the Derelict Land Grant to enable Local Authorities to regenerate brownfield sites etc etc etc.
Everything I'd do would move us towards a market-town based economy where we aren't reliant upon fossil fuels for much of our transportation. A bit like it was during the war if you like, when we dug for victory. Basically, people would have to spend time growing food instead of playing Candy-Crush.
I predict millions ultimately living on their land in medieval fashion and a return to some sort of feudal system but with the benefit of soap. |
Ever wondered why you aren't Prime Minister?
A suggestion: stop listening to your kids. Market town economies - for modern city sized populations? Good luck, not holding my breath for that one
Ok, my fallback position: we need to drastically reduce the human population for any solution to be effective. Time to join CND - Campaign for Nuclear Destruction! 
Please consider that your avatar isn't just visible in the politics section of the forum.
Oh, and not forgetting that a major reduction in population will allow the planet to reset 
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Ok, my fallback position: we need to drastically reduce the human population for any solution to be effective. Time to join CND - Campaign for Nuclear Destruction! |
This is exactly what I meant when I said that we are ignoring the only real crisis of current times. When mass death is considered a preferable option to a gradual shift towards a low fossil-fuel economy, you can see why I think some kids talk sense
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You're the one who started in with the nonsense solutions
Ok, note: you mention "moving/gradual shift towards" non-fossil fuel transportation. What, we're not?!  Oh, you want it by tea time today? Hmmm, could be tricky. I'll see what I can do
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Ok, note: you mention "moving towards" non-fossil fuel transportation. What, we're not?! Oh, you want it by tea time today? |
Your turn, Chickenboi...
Do you think we are moving fast enough towards a non fossil-fuel transportation system?
If the answer is 'no', can you come up with a way we can do it faster, that doesn't involve a series of well-placed dirty-bombs or a fundamental change in the way we grow and transport food? 
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BTW this is where we need MDMA back, because he could blow my reasoning out of the water with a simple 'technology will take care of it' response...
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Your turn, Chickenboi... |
Trying to shut down the discussion with name calling eh? Marxist!
| Quote: | Do you think we are moving fast enough towards a non fossil-fuel transportation system?
If the answer is 'no', can you come up with a way we can do it faster, that doesn't involve a series of well-placed dirty-bombs or a fundamental change in the way we grow and transport food? |
Make up your mind - "gradual shift" or "crisis"? One is what I see already happening, the second suggests more urgent policies required - which is it? And if the latter, then you tell me what we do. I'm with your son on this one: work/eat/weights/wank/sleep/repeat See, I'm far more down with the kids than you are
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The only, and I repeat only, non fossil fuel transportation systems we could re employ is
https://www.sailboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/stad-amsterdam.jpg
and
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BDJ39D/shire-horse-and-cart-in-harvest-field-collecting-sheaves-of-straw-BDJ39D.jpg
Electric cars, trains, everything else uses a portion of fossil fuels and will for many years hence unless we go to a mixture of nuclear plus renewables, and we all know how Greta's Guardians would react to that.
Planes will be a no no.
So the choices are, like Diggs says, revert to a culture of surfdom where people have to work to live which would mean huge swathes of people around the world dying from starvation or just simply have a nice big war to get rid of a few billion carbon life forms.
Changing to electric cars and recycling your milk bottles is not going to save the Polarbear. 
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And there's the nub of the matter: the serfs are bored!
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