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Yes, we discussed it already a few posts ago. I have nothing new to add.
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Because I am still right.
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We can start with "Gender stereotypes and workplace bias", Heilman 2012.
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I am not going to base my debate on a study paper that is mostly conjecture being stated as fact.
This paragraph here, for example:
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Research has provided evidence that there is a perceived lack of fit between the demands of high-level
organizational positions and characterizations of women. In early work on this issue, it was found that when
respondents, both male and female, were asked to identify the attributes of men in general, of women in general and of
successful managers, the characterization of successful managers were more congruent with the characterization of
men than of women (Schein, 1973, 1975).
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Not sure if you are aware of this, but men and women are different animals. We think differently; we react differently; we speak differently; we harbor differing emotions; we are two distinct genders with very specific qualities that fit our genders, generally speaking. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule. That doesn't negate the fact that that rule is generally correct.
Having said that, you want to argue that the workplace is biased against women because the traits needed to succeed are inherently attributed to masculinity? That is ridiculous. That is the equivalent of saying that I'm not good at chess, so we need to change the way it's played so that I can have a fair shot! This is the problem with a whole generation who has grown up being taught that everyone is a winner and there are no losers. [As evidenced in spades by the liberal reaction to losing the 2016 US Presidential Election.] Everyone is not suited for every thing, nor should we pretend that they are. Men are better at some things, just like women are better at other things - generally speaking. I don't care if you believe that or not. It is; it always has been; and it always will be. That doesn't mean that men cannot do the things that women do or vise versa. It only means that in general, the work works the way it does because of science... Biology.
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No one argues that there are no female executives; the point is that women are grossly underrepresented there. |
As I have already discussed (to which you say you have nothing to add), so what if women are "underrepresented?" There is nothing that says that in real life, all aspects have to be represented equally by each and every race/gender/creed. Women are underrepresented because they choose to be - individually and personally. Believe it or not, women are thinking human beings capable of making their own decisions. Those decisions just so happen to quite often be raising a family or choosing a career other than the corporate rat race so often sought after by materialist people. ____________________ Derek Tombrello
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jnw010 wrote: | cdlxxvi wrote: | No one argues that there are no female executives; the point is that women are grossly underrepresented there. |
And the point remains that it is not due to some made up subconscious bias.
But do carry on. |
You undoubtedly intended to cite some quality search here, but somehow it didn't show. Care to try again?
rebeltaz wrote: | cdlxxvi wrote: |
Yes, we discussed it already a few posts ago. I have nothing new to add.
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cdlxxvi wrote: |
We can start with "Gender stereotypes and workplace bias", Heilman 2012.
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I am not going to base my debate on a study paper that is mostly conjecture being stated as fact.
This paragraph here, for example:
Gender stereotypes and workplace bias wrote: |
Research has provided evidence that there is a perceived lack of fit between the demands of high-level
organizational positions and characterizations of women. In early work on this issue, it was found that when
respondents, both male and female, were asked to identify the attributes of men in general, of women in general and of
successful managers, the characterization of successful managers were more congruent with the characterization of
men than of women (Schein, 1973, 1975).
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Not sure if you are aware of this, but men and women are different animals. We think differently; we react differently; we speak differently; we harbor differing emotions; we are two distinct genders with very specific qualities that fit our genders, generally speaking. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule. That doesn't negate the fact that that rule is generally correct.
Having said that, you want to argue that the workplace is biased against women because the traits needed to succeed are inherently attributed to masculinity? That is ridiculous. That is the equivalent of saying that I'm not good at chess, so we need to change the way it's played so that I can have a fair shot! This is the problem with a whole generation who has grown up being taught that everyone is a winner and there are no losers. [As evidenced in spades by the liberal reaction to losing the 2016 US Presidential Election.] Everyone is not suited for every thing, nor should we pretend that they are. Men are better at some things, just like women are better at other things - generally speaking. I don't care if you believe that or not. It is; it always has been; and it always will be. That doesn't mean that men cannot do the things that women do or vise versa. It only means that in general, the work works the way it does because of science... Biology. |
It's not easy to find an actual point in the above, but I assume that you are trying to argue that certain physical differences justify a male-dominated society.
No one argues that such differences exist; it is the jump to the conclusion that they somehow should result in a half of society being subordinate to the other half that needs a very strong factual backing which, interestingly, we are still waiting for.
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cdlxxvi wrote: |
No one argues that there are no female executives; the point is that women are grossly underrepresented there. |
As I have already discussed (to which you say you have nothing to add), so what if women are "underrepresented?" There is nothing that says that in real life, all aspects have to be represented equally by each and every race/gender/creed. Women are underrepresented because they choose to be - individually and personally. Believe it or not, women are thinking human beings capable of making their own decisions. Those decisions just so happen to quite often be raising a family or choosing a career other than the corporate rat race so often sought after by materialist people. |
And what's your source of information on that "choice" of women to be underrepresented and disenfranchised? |
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rebeltaz wrote: |
Not sure if you are aware of this, but men and women are different animals. We think differently; we react differently; we speak differently; we harbor differing emotions; we are two distinct genders with very specific qualities that fit our genders, generally speaking. Sure, there are exceptions to that rule. That doesn't negate the fact that that rule is generally correct.
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It's not easy to find an actual point in the above, but I assume that you are trying to argue that certain physical differences justify a male-dominated society.
No one argues that such differences exist; it is the jump to the conclusion that they somehow should result in a half of society being subordinate to the other half that needs a very strong factual backing which, interestingly, we are still waiting for.
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I didn't say anythign about physical traits. I said thinking, acting, emotional...
You know what... nobody has the cogliones to say this, so I will....
If a society is male dominated, maybe it's because thoughout history men have been the ones with the drive, desire and ability to build and create society and everything in it. Yes... I know that women have been instrumental in many areas, but once again, that has always been, historicaly speaking, the excpetion. And do not give me that crap that it's only because we big, bad men wouldn't let them or encourage them. MEN have built this world. Now women want to take it by fiat. I've got an idea... let them build their own, from the ground up, just like we did.
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cdlxxvi wrote: | What if the opposite is true?
Where it really matters (decision-making and compensation), women are underrepresented supreme. For example, in major UK companies women are a small minority of directors, and get paid only 2/3 of what their male peers earn (Wearing & Wearing 2004). |
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HardlyDavidson wrote: | cdlxxvi wrote: | What if the opposite is true?
Where it really matters (decision-making and compensation), women are underrepresented supreme. For example, in major UK companies women are a small minority of directors, and get paid only 2/3 of what their male peers earn (Wearing & Wearing 2004). |
So you're only interested in power and money, how very capitalist of you! |
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Where it really matters (decision-making and compensation), women are underrepresented supreme. For example, in major UK companies women are a small minority of directors, and get paid only 2/3 of what their male peers earn (Wearing & Wearing 2004). |
Indeed, but the jury's still out over whether this is due to structural inequality or social evolution.
Watch The Gender Equality Paradox. It's a really interesting documentary piece by a Norwegian bloke who decided to research the issue, a good handful of years ago when the SJW/feminism craze was at its peak.
He found that there's a whole lot of evidence, from the highest levels of biology and neuroscience, to say that male and female brains really are just different in certain ways.
An interesting snippet of evidence was a study at Cambridge University, wherein children were tested from birth to see what stereotypical male/female behaviours they presented.
Male babies focuses their gaze much more strongly when presented with mechanical and technical toys, while female babies focused their gaze more strongly on human faces. These were kids tested from birth, with zero chance for social cues to imprint on them.
The experiment followed the babies into childhood and beyond (for all I know the experiment is still going). It found that those who exhibited stereotypical male traits as they developed all shared one thing in common: Higher levels of testosterone. Nothing to do with environment or upbringing.
The conclusion of this was the termination of the Nordic Feminist Studies Programme (or something like that - I can't remember exactly what it was called).
Anyway, my main takeaway from this is that there are surely plenty of areas in life where woman naturally just don't tend to drift, and that men have always been wired up to chase power and resources more strongly. Generally speaking, at least.
Solution? Legislate against unfair treatment of others, then let society fit into its own roles. I swear that's how it is already though. |
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Potential solution is to force everyone to take female hormones, like they're doing in Women's athletics.
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Now it's progressed from far-right to "dangerous individuals"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48142098
I can't exactly see how dangerous Milo could be, offensive yes...
Still, it made me read a bit more about Farakhan. Nice one, FaceBalls, someone I previously ignored I now have an interest in, Streisand Effect in full force.
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Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam leader who has expressed anti-Semitic views, will also be excluded.
WTF
And let's not get started on Scientology FFS. That South Park episode on it told me all I needed to know! |
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HardlyDavidson wrote: | Now it's progressed from far-right to "dangerous individuals"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48142098
I can't exactly see how dangerous Milo could be, offensive yes...
Still, it made me read a bit more about Farakhan. Nice one, FaceBalls, someone I previously ignored I now have an interest in, Streisand Effect in full force.
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He’s just the token Muslim to give Facefart their excuse to carry on silencing anyone to the right of centre, other than the Tories.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 358 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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