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[chickenstrip]

[Easy-X]

I think there may be some disagreement on terms. Historically, the main difference between Communism and Fascism is only in intent:

For Communism the means of production should be owned by the people, i.e. like a workers' co-operative. However, in practical application de jure governance of production was by a workers' committee the de facto governance was by the party as they all had to be card carrying members.

For Fascism the means of production was still held in private ownership and a typical factory owner didn't necessarily have to be a party member. However, owners were given little choice when it came to fulfilling government contracts.

Economically, they both ended up being the same. Does it matter that Communism viewed the ills of the world via the lens of class and Fascism the lens of race?

Communism did prove to be the more "successful" ideology of the 20th Century given that it murdered people in the hundreds of millions versus Fascism's measly tens of millions.

So what about today? Personally I think it's a lot clearer: do you hold the sovereign freedom of the individual to be paramount or do you believe the well being of society overrides the rights of the individual?

A load of people get kicked of FaceBalls... why? Because somebody (not by law but by whim) believes society would function better if such people were silenced.

Take Alex Jones... the man is certifiably insane! But kicking him off popular social media seems to me a coward's path. Surely the thing to do is take the more courageous path and counter his arguments.

And I mean properly.

For example, Thunderfoot on YouTube is a very clever man and produces some very interesting videos - when he sticks to pure science. When he gets on to politics he takes on the typical sneering tone of the so called "progressives."

He did a hit-piece on Alex Jones not long ago and laughed at Jones' claim that doctors were selling baby organs (which only a mind as twisted as Jones could link to the Democrats' pro-choice stance, e.g. post-birth abortions.)

Except doctors do steal babies organs. Maybe just for research and not actually for profit like Jones suggested but it is true nonetheless.

So in building up a case against Jones Thunderfoot just started with "this man is wrong" and worked back from there. Lazy.

By why go to all the bother of arranging shabby hit-pieces when you can now just delete people: exclude them from social media and exclude them from using banks and financial institutions.

A burn notice for all wrongthinkers.
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[Kentol750]

Think you'll find...30 years ago some twat spouted nazi rhetoric.. you twatted him, he learnt his lesson.30 years ago some twat spouted socialist rhetoric, you twatted him, he learnt his lesson. Keep twatting them.. they've stopped knocking my door.
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[Lord Percy]

I think the internet age is a whole new era that governments and regulatory bodies are still not fully in control of.

Banning 'undesirable' folk from obtaining a mass audience is nothing new. Pirate radio/TV stations have always been an illegal/underground thing, precisely because they allow people to spread unfiltered and uncensored messages to the masses.

Internet is exactly the same, only this time people are crying out for its legitimacy. Before, nobody truly cared that the only legal channels of communication had to be vetted by the state and/or regulatory bodies beforehand.

The internet has completely and utterly changed the face of mass broadcasting and communication.

I can understand the 'free speech' arguments being made by people, but I find it hard to reconcile with the fact that folk in previous decades (and even now) had no issues at all with standard TV and radio being a lot more strictly regulated. Hell, nobody even cares about the 9pm watershed, and that's still a thing!

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[duhawkz]

Facebook, youtube et al, are private companies and if they decide they don't want something on their platform thats their business

You could alway start your own social media platfrom that allows those people a voice.
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[chickenstrip]

I sometimes feel that the general public just aren't responsible enough to have such a potentially powerful tool as the internet.

Actually, I sometimes feel no one is responsible enough to have such a potentially powerful tool.
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[Jmoan]

[rebeltaz]

[Easy-X]

Mmmm... the silly baker thing.

The so-called "progressive" view: everyone must serve everyone else equally regardless of any archaic belief or tradition.

Everyone else... (which by current definition means you are fascist scum) would get upset that they weren't served by the baker do the capitalist thing and take their business elsewhere and do the freedom of speech thing and give the baker a bad review or bad-mouth them to their friends and family.

This why we so desperately need more censorship: left to their own devices ppl will sort out their own problems without involving the state and then where would we be?!
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[duhawkz]

Aslo by forcing the baker to bake the cake, you open up the possibility for ither people to be forced to do things that are against their beliefs/views

Jewish printer forced to print anti semitic leaflets ot may be a gay baker being forced to bake a cake denouncing gay marrige.

I'm also not sure it was the best idea for youtube et al to remove TR, Alex jones and co as ultimately they will go and find somewhere else that give them a platform, it will also make people potentially think the they might have a point or have a message that needs suppressing.

They're better off out in the open where people challenge them, rather then in some echo chamber surrounded by people who lap that shit up, though facebook kind of is that already as it only push content you like and interact with.
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[cdlxxvi]

A little bit of confusion here, methinks.

Firstly, the famous baker won - the Supreme Court decided he could refuse the cake.

It is still miles away from freedom of expression, though. No one would* prosecute or persecute gays et al for announcing being gay or something else; it was merely a businessman's refusal to do business with a person the he didn't like.

Which brings us back to our poor fascists - they can mostly hate away unmolested, and no harm will come to them for their dreams of Greatest White England, but businesses are generally not obliged to deal with them. One can say "but businesses must serve [insert a group someone dislikes]" - that may be true, if the group is defined by a protected characteristic, like pregnancy or religion, hence the plight of the miserable souls who aren't allowed to kick a pregnant Muslim woman out of their taxi.
However, fascism isn't a protected characteristic, so generally no one has to to help out fascist in their difficult quest.


*I know, I know, we could find some Beautiful Minds who would.

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