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PostPosted: 09:26 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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Thank you. You make the point better than I ever could. If this happens, how can the Left possibly be 'fascist'?


You don't get it because you're a screaming yogurt weaver.
You think racism and discrimination doesn't apply if it's aimed at whitey.

You think silencing the right is not stopping freedom of speech, but silencing Muslim anti-Western speech is. It's how you're programmed through education. Some of us grow up and learn to think for ourselves when we leave school, some stay the eternal product of student politics, just like Corbyn.


No need to go on a rant because you tied yourself up in knots on the last point Laughing

An advantage of being a screaming yogurt-weaver is that I don't have to regurgitate somebody else's politics and dress it up as free-thinking. I can see wrong in both Left and Right, whereas you seem to struggle with the concept that anything to the left of YL should have any kind of validity whatsoever.

You are Danny Tommo and I claim my £5.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
Since we are very far from organically equal opportunity, we have to actively work to achieve it.


So you discriminate by heritage. Racist behaviour.

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I used the boardroom as an example; I know it may be difficult for some to understand how examples works.


An example that was shown to be false, and in reality demonstrates how limited your thinking on the matter is. Is that how examples work? Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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An advantage of being a screaming yogurt-weaver is that I don't have to regurgitate somebody else's politics and dress it up as free-thinking.


Ha! ha! ha! The delusion is strong in you.

Typical leftie claiming them moral high ground. "I'm right and you're all wrong".


Again, you demonstrate my point better than I possibly could. If I am right and 'you're all' wrong, who is thinking freely? Laughing

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PostPosted: 10:50 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you recall I disagree with social media bans unless what is written is inciteful, so on that point we agree. I also think it is unfair that Farage's Party is given less air-time than Labour and Conservative at the moment.

I don't agree that Corbyn and his merrie band are on the verge of running the country however, because if a Labour voter like myself won't vote for them, how will they get their majority?

Bercow is a red herring. If MPs wanted to vote TM's deal in, they would have done so earlier, but they didn't.

Nothing wrong with kids becoming aware of climate change. They are the ones who will have to live with it after all. I disagree with either of the main parties using climate change as a political football however, and would be most annoyed if somebody from either side tried to canvas my daughter when she went to a rally.

In reality we agree on more than it appears from our debates. Where we differ fundamentally is that my views are more liberal than yours.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing wrong with socialism per se it just that it tends to attract sneering elitists who think argumentum ad hominem is perfectly acceptable in polite conversation.

That's pretty much the root of the problem with regards to the current censorship attempts, IMHO.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
There is nothing wrong with socialism per se


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Other than it doesn't work?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it was an interesting discussion before the fite as to whether fascism is restricted to 'right wing'.

I genuinely believe that you see it on both sides.
Bercow is no doubt left wing, but has been accused of bullying. Read Owell's article I posted and you see that bullying and fascist are linked.

Another example is the Scottish Fascists Independence Party.
No doubt seen as left wing, but it's widely known that "The 2014 referendum was met with a wave of nationalism during the build up'.

Where have we seen that trait before?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
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There is nothing wrong with socialism per se


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Not on it's own, no but then neither does conservatism. Harmony comes through through the balance of disparate elements...

I think I just had a zen moment!
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feck! I've just had a horrible mental image of Corbyn sticking his Ying in Aboot's Yang Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 30 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just spent 30 seconds trying to think of something describing ladybits that rhymes with 'wang'.....
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PostPosted: 05:01 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
HardlyDavidson wrote:
There is nothing wrong with socialism per se


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Says the guy who presumably grew up under state funded health, education, social services, police, refuse collection, military protection and even public recreation areas.
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PostPosted: 07:07 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not on it's own, no but then neither does conservatism. Harmony comes through through the balance of disparate elements...

I think I just had a zen moment!


I don't think you did.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Says the guy who presumably grew up under state funded health, education, social services, police, refuse collection, military protection and even public recreation areas.


Do you think the UK is a socialist country? You have no idea what you're talking about if you do.
I have relatives in Slovenia and used to spend summers there back when it was a part of Yugoslavia. That was a socialist country and believe me when I say it was very different to the UK.
Socialism has some plus points, but as a whole it doesn't work.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember where we put the 'Kick a Corbyn' posts so here will do.

He's been found endorsing an anti Jewish book. Laughing Silly boy.

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/corbyn-in-new-anti-semitism-row-over-century-old-book-11364358901539

Now I'm the last person to defend Corbyn but at the time that book was written, it was very true and is probably still valid now. Jewish families running the worlds finances etc.

It's the language used that has upset the snowflakes and Jeremy is caught up in the flack.

Jeremy, Jeremy. Your past will always catch up with you in the digital age. Whether it be having discussions with IRA terrorist or dipping your pecker in the Abbopotamus.

There is a good reason why you will never be PM. Your an idiot.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shock horror! Jews have conspired to control both banking and mass media!

Well if that's the case they're doing a pretty shit job at it Rolling Eyes

One of the oh so many reasons Corbyn would be bad news as Prime Minister: he's not clever enough to score virtue points from being pro-Palestinian while at the same time dodging the bear-trap of antisemitism.

An unwise ruler is rarely a good ruler.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:

Let's take for example women in boardrooms.
There is no executive position for which a female candidate as good as any male candidate cannot be found; the continuing male domination of highest jobs is a result of our preference (frequently not conscious), when given a female and a male of equal competence, to pick a male. Legislation helps to counter this bias and achieve parity.


i can't even begin to describe how wrong this is - do some research if you believe this nonsense....

legislating for outcome equality is absurd and dangerous.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the original topic, my news feed keeps showing hit prieces on Mark Meechan and Carl Benjamin. They really are going after both of them.
I've watched quite a few of their videos and while they might not be everyone's cup of tea, they don't come across as racist or alt right.
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

AshWebster wrote:
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Let's take for example women in boardrooms.
There is no executive position for which a female candidate as good as any male candidate cannot be found; the continuing male domination of highest jobs is a result of our preference (frequently not conscious), when given a female and a male of equal competence, to pick a male. Legislation helps to counter this bias and achieve parity.


i can't even begin to describe how wrong this is - do some research if you believe this nonsense....

legislating for outcome equality is absurd and dangerous.


Sir, if you would care to begin to describe how wrong it is, and quote the research you mention, we could have a most constructive discussion here Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sir, if you would care to begin to describe how wrong it is, and quote the research you mention, we could have a most constructive discussion here Thumbs Up


I know you weren't talking to me, but I'll pipe in.

* Have you given any thought to the fact that maybe the male dominance in a certain industry might be due to the fact that males are more likely to go for those jobs?

* Can you show any proof that the reason for a "male dominance" is that men are hired over women due to "unconscious" gender preference?

* Unless you [the general "you"] can show absolute proof [as in the scientific DNA evidence that there are only two genders; not the liberal science that says that the world only has 12 (or 10, depending on which liberal you believe) years left before climate change (which we used to call global warming until that nomenclature no longer fit the narrative) destroys the planet for good] that the cause for "male dominance" in the boardroom is due to preferential treatment among us overbearing males, what difference does it make that more men run things than more women? Unless women are being actively prohibited from XYZ activity [which is an absurd claim in today's day and age], so what if women choose not to run a corporation? So what if women choose not to program code? Why should forced integration by fiat [again assuming that the issue is choice and not discrimination] solve all the world's problems. What you are going to do instead is force men to fight back and undo the advances that the feminists claim to seek.

By the way, the use of a double negative here - "There is no executive position for which a female candidate as good as any male candidate cannot be found" - negates your point. Broken down, this basically says that "there are no positions where a female cannot be found". Taking that even further to it's basest form, "females are found in all positions." Grammar matters, people.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 01 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

rebeltaz wrote:
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Sir, if you would care to begin to describe how wrong it is, and quote the research you mention, we could have a most constructive discussion here Thumbs Up


I know you weren't talking to me, but I'll pipe in.

* Have you given any thought to the fact that maybe the male dominance in a certain industry might be due to the fact that males are more likely to go for those jobs?

Yes, we discussed it already a few posts ago. I have nothing new to add.

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* Can you show any proof that the reason for a "male dominance" is that men are hired over women due to "unconscious" gender preference?


We can start with "Gender stereotypes and workplace bias", Heilman 2012.

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* Unless you [the general "you"] can show absolute proof [as in the scientific DNA evidence that there are only two genders; not the liberal science that says that the world only has 12 (or 10, depending on which liberal you believe) years left before climate change (which we used to call global warming until that nomenclature no longer fit the narrative) destroys the planet for good] that the cause for "male dominance" in the boardroom is due to preferential treatment among us overbearing males, what difference does it make that more men run things than more women? Unless women are being actively prohibited from XYZ activity [which is an absurd claim in today's day and age], so what if women choose not to run a corporation? So what if women choose not to program code? Why should forced integration by fiat [again assuming that the issue is choice and not discrimination] solve all the world's problems. What you are going to do instead is force men to fight back and undo the advances that the feminists claim to seek.

I would appreciate if you extracted your actual point from this ranty paragraph; once done, I'll be able to address it.

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By the way, the use of a double negative here - "There is no executive position for which a female candidate as good as any male candidate cannot be found" - negates your point. Broken down, this basically says that "there are no positions where a female cannot be found". Taking that even further to it's basest form, "females are found in all positions." Grammar matters, people.

I always appreciate an opportunity to improve my English (my 2nd or 3rd language unfortunately, depending on how you count), but in this case you seem to have lost the word candidate in the course of your argument; also, you left out the whole context of male overrepresentation in, collectively speaking, powerful positions. No one argues that there are no female executives; the point is that women are grossly underrepresented there.
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