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But the OP asked about an all-rounder ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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zx9r nothing else comes close ____________________ Beer, It's the reason I get up every afternoon
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Tank range i'd say about 200 give or take, maybe less depending how careless you are with the throttle. FC Insurance for a 46 year old with a few years NCB is .... £170 inc commuting
I don't do a whole lot of motorway stuff though, i use it for B roads and the odd dual carriageways around here. I am no racer but you can throw it around like a much smaller lighter bike once you get it moving.
Apparently there is a fairly notable power jump once you get over 7krpm - can't say i've noticed it primarily because of the way it gets up to speed without using it. If you're used to the power below that then i have no doubt you'll enjoy the higher end range.
2nd and 3rd gear are brutal if you really open it up but with the IMU, you can do that without the front end coming up and yes, you can turn it all off if you want to. I haven't and won't, i bought the later model because it has this stuff.
https://www.visordown.com/reviews/first-ride/first-ride-2017-kawasaki-z1000sx-review isn't a bad read.
I picked mine up for 8k, it was one of the first WHF 2017 Models .... there are plenty of deals for full touring spec bikes. ____________________ Module 1 and 2 passed - October 2014. Happy owner of a 2017 Z1000SX, ex owner of a YBR125 / CB500 / VFR800. |
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I'd love to see a comparison test between mine and the Z1000SX, or better still, ride them back-to-back myself.
Specs-wise, there's not much in it. The FZS1000 is 2kg heavier wet. Quoted as a higher top end. Higher quoted power output. Larger fuel tank.
This is why I never seriously considered switching to the Z. Just not enough in it to make sense to do so.
Unless you know otherwise
Handling maybe? (Dealt with that on mine )
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UncleBFester wrote: | Tank range i'd say about 200 give or take, maybe less depending how careless you are with the throttle. FC Insurance for a 46 year old with a few years NCB is .... £170 inc commuting
I don't do a whole lot of motorway stuff though, i use it for B roads and the odd dual carriageways around here. I am no racer but you can throw it around like a much smaller lighter bike once you get it moving.
Apparently there is a fairly notable power jump once you get over 7krpm - can't say i've noticed it primarily because of the way it gets up to speed without using it. If you're used to the power below that then i have no doubt you'll enjoy the higher end range.
2nd and 3rd gear are brutal if you really open it up but with the IMU, you can do that without the front end coming up and yes, you can turn it all off if you want to. I haven't and won't, i bought the later model because it has this stuff.
https://www.visordown.com/reviews/first-ride/first-ride-2017-kawasaki-z1000sx-review isn't a bad read.
I picked mine up for 8k, it was one of the first WHF 2017 Models .... there are plenty of deals for full touring spec bikes. |
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. My commute is 50 miles each way on about 80% motorway, 20% in town. My VFR is reputed to have a tank range of 180 some odd miles but I do over 200 which means I can fill up once every two days. If I had to fill up every day I'd be pretty annoyed I reckon. a 200 mile range is pretty much perfect for me.
I expect not being a superbike the insurance would be reasonable for me, and the one I test rode was comfortable and handled well. I felt a bit of a disconnect between the front and rear, with the front hardly moving and the rear being fairly soft. I guess with the multi adjustable forks this could be dialled out a bit.
The main reason I want one is the brakes. Wow. Better even than my Street Triple brakes.
There are two issues with my VFR which are kind of related. One is it's 19 years old, so things are bound to go wrong on it. Only yesterday the throttle close cable randomly snapped for no reason. Luckily I was able to ride home but it felt very weird and could well have been dangerous. The other issue is the ULEZ which will cover both of my main places of work from early 2021. I realise that's a fair way off, but it's something else to nudge me into action. I was going to go for a 2014 bike (first facelift) but looking at the prices I can get a 2017 bike (full IMU etc) for only about a grand more, so it's probably worth paying the extra.
It's also been a while since I've owned a 'big' bike, certainly one with over 120bhp let alone 140 so I'm looking forward to it. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Bandit 1250 does it for me.
There is nothing else currently made that comes close to it's all round abilities. ____________________ Suzuki Bandit 1250
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Rear suspension is tweakable on the Z1000 via a hand turn adjuster.
Lights and brakes are very very good. As is the fuelling / drive train and slip assist clutch. Very easy to shift without clutch even for a relative noob ( me).
edit @ Chickenstrip
I never looked at the Fazer .... my eye was drawn to this first and i knew i fitted on it. It was about as scientific as that until i found out about the lights / IMU stuff. It's about as safe as you can make having fun ____________________ Module 1 and 2 passed - October 2014. Happy owner of a 2017 Z1000SX, ex owner of a YBR125 / CB500 / VFR800. |
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Howling Terror wrote: | From what I've read there are better bikes than the Z1000SX. Bikes that don't require coercing into corners. Fazer thou would be a better bike. |
I don't know that a standard Fazer is better than the Z. There just isn't enough in it, I think, to swap from one to the other (I always thought this was telling about the Yam, considering how much later a bike the Z is). But obviously, the Z has more modern styling and equipment, and as MarJay's requirement is for ULEZ compatibility, the Z would make more sense for him. Do you know that a standard Fazer handles better? Maybe after you've changed out the rear shock on it.
The Fazer deserved having some money thrown at it to make it even better. No reason why the Z shouldn't, I suppose. Standard suspension on anything other than top sports bikes always seems to leave something to be desired.
But I do like having nearly 140bhp at the rear wheel. Ivans ftw ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 00:03 - 02 May 2019 Post subject: Re: most durable allrounder |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | leolion wrote: | Whats the best do it all bike guys?
Able to laugh off winter crud, decent on a motorway, bearable summer b road scratcher, able to do the commute or your weekly shop,easy to handle at 15mph or 90mph,can manage a summer holiday tour, light enough to push round but heavy enough to not get blown around in gales,pleasing to the eye but not top of the thieves list.
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I was going to point to my '99 ZX6R but then I thought I do all that on my R1, and did the same on my 56bhp Yamaha XJR400. I'll say any medium-weight road bike will do as long as it isn't made of Chineseum and has more than 50bhp. |
I used an RG500 as an all-rounder for a time, but it wasn't the best choice for that use (might well have been the worst ).
Don't forget the old Fazer 600. Proper do-it-all bike. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: |
You are wrong if you think there is not a significant difference i.e. of some 30kg between the wet weights of the zx9r (C1 and C2) and the Z1000SX. |
So I did a bit of digging on this. Bikespecs quotes the C1 ZX9R as 183kg dry, and 202kg wet. Which on it's own doesn't make any sense, because by and large there is an approx 30-35kg difference between 'dry' and 'wet' weights on big bore bikes according to various sources.
However, manufacturers also have recently changed how they measure wet weights too, with many measuring with oil, fork oil, shock oil, battery fluid, coolant etc, but NOT fuel until recently.
When we take 202kg, and we add 19 litres of fuel (in the Z1000SX tank) we get approximately 220kg (as petrol is fractionally less dense than water). With the claimed wet weight of the Z1000SX as 235kg, you're only looking at a 15kg difference which probably comes from the USD forks, the radial brakes, the ABS and IMU stuff, and the beefed up subframe for the hard luggage etc, and things like the remote preload adjuster etc. That's not even mentioning the large catalytic converter, and twin exhaust silencers that meet Euro 4 spec.
It also has an extra 10bhp or so at the wheel... So the difference is probably not as big as you make out. Plus the ZX9R won't pass the ULEZ, doesn't have 3 stage traction control, cornering ABS USD forks, radial brakes, 2 power modes, LED headlamps etc.
A Z1000SX might even be lighter than a ZX9R with a full exhaust system fitted.... ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 359 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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