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PostPosted: 13:04 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Eyelets in leathers for ventilation Reply with quote

I've got some Dainese leather trousers which are perforated around the plums but don't have any other ventilation elsewhere. Will be using them in scorching heat.
Was thinking of using a row of heavy duty 8mm black punch eyelets in the front and back of the lower leg to give some air throughput there. Will space them 20mm apart or so and the metal eyelets themselves are pretty meaty, so I'm thinking they shouldn't weaken the leather much.
Anyone done similar? Or seen any better ideas?
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll have to take care that it doesn't look, erm, "strange"....
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
You'll have to take care that it doesn't look, erm, "strange"....

Hahah, yeah I'm keen to avoid the 'ass-less chaps' look! Matt black eyelets in black leather should be pretty much invisible.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it will work. I think you'll end up with a pair of ruined armoured trousers.

In the height of summer, most people wear light cotton trousers or jeans with a T-shirt, or shorts and a T-shirt. Dressing for the weather and not for a mishap feels absolutely great. It's a completely different feeling. It feels like the right thing to do, but, obviously, the consequences will be quite serious if you take a fall. Everyone seems to do it though. Just don't crash.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beware from burns from the heat generated by the eyelets scraping along the tarmac. Also Dianese leathers are hardly the most structurally sound leathers in the first place, and often don't survive a single crash unlike other less exotic makes.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Beware from burns from the heat generated by the eyelets scraping along the tarmac. Also Dianese leathers are hardly the most structurally sound leathers in the first place, and often don't survive a single crash unlike other less exotic makes.


Heat could be an issue, thanks. Think I'm ok with it as it'll only be on the lower leg. Also I'm thinking leather with this heat issue is still probably better than textile mesh which melts altogether.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
In the height of summer, most people wear light cotton trousers or jeans with a T-shirt, or shorts and a T-shirt. Dressing for the weather and not for a mishap feels absolutely great. It's a completely different feeling. It feels like the right thing to do, but, obviously, the consequences will be quite serious if you take a fall. Everyone seems to do it though. Just don't crash.


Haven't seen many riding like that around here, I would never do this personally. Nice and cool but I don't fancy months of skin grafts! ATGATT for me - all the gear all the time.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Also Dianese leathers are hardly the most structurally sound leathers in the first place, and often don't survive a single crash unlike other less exotic makes.


True of some, but their top flight ones are exceptionally good quality - at a price.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlparsons wrote:
Bhud wrote:
In the height of summer, most people wear light cotton trousers or jeans with a T-shirt, or shorts and a T-shirt. Dressing for the weather and not for a mishap feels absolutely great. It's a completely different feeling. It feels like the right thing to do, but, obviously, the consequences will be quite serious if you take a fall. Everyone seems to do it though. Just don't crash.


Haven't seen many riding like that around here, I would never do this personally. Nice and cool but I don't fancy months of skin grafts! ATGATT for me - all the gear all the time.


I failed to need skin grafts for any my crashes sustained in jeans. So I set fire to myself. Job done! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

True of some, but their top flight ones are exceptionally good quality - at a price.


Don't get me wrong, they are protective... just not up to the standard of something like Crowtree or the old school BKS or even Hideout or Buffalo. Those are the makes of leathers that survive many crashes over and over.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I failed to need skin grafts for any my crashes sustained in jeans. So I set fire to myself. Job done! Laughing


Erm... well done? Shocked Smile
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

best ways to cool down in mid summer riding :

go faster

get the desination and have a cold drink

get to destination and strip naked

listen to barry white

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PostPosted: 14:01 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:

True of some, but their top flight ones are exceptionally good quality - at a price.


Don't get me wrong, they are protective... just not up to the standard of something like Crowtree or the old school BKS or even Hideout or Buffalo. Those are the makes of leathers that survive many crashes over and over.


It's going back a few years now, so I don't know if they've slipped, but I used to work at a dealer that stocked Dainese. Most were as you say, not great quality - ok, just not great. But we had one suit from them that was absolutely like armour plate in the material quality, double and even treble stitched in all the right places. But nobody bought them cos they were so expensive - twice the price of the rest of the ones we had. I have no doubt they would have survived many spills. Dainese do know how to do it, but what's the point if no one can afford them when they do?
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will only be riveted holes.
Cooling really needs another medium to flow in /around and then carry the heat energy away.

There will be minimum airflow in your contrivance.

I suggest still wearing proper 'protective' gear though.
Slip-Sliding down the road will be fun when cotton jean rub through. Smile

It's not soo bad wearing leather in the heat.

The main area to ventilate is your fizog and possibly the upper body.

You can buy dirt-bike jackets that have armour fitted but have lots of aramide mess panels to provide airflow.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Suntime-Motorcycle-Armour%EF%BC%8CComplete-Protector-Motorbike/dp/B0793RJQQD/ref=asc_df_B0793RJQQD/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310689320828&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16987965800592509625&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046976&hvtargid=pla-505838715117&psc=1

Can be a big draughty at M/way speeds as they are designed to be worn on lower speed machines
but you should wear a proper 'base-layer' anyway.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:44 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADSrox0r wrote:
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Beware from burns from the heat generated by the eyelets scraping along the tarmac. Also Dianese leathers are hardly the most structurally sound leathers in the first place, and often don't survive a single crash unlike other less exotic makes.


This. Once had some gloves with 'protective metal rivets' in the palms. Was years ago, I did zero research and they sounded like a gr8 idea. One 40 mph crash later the gloves left my hands looking like they had octopus suckers.
Rivets/eyelets can get hot on tarmac.

I'd be buying something more lightweight for summer use but still containing protection. Keep thicker insulated stuff for winter perhaps.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:


This. Once had some gloves with 'protective metal rivets' in the palms. Was years ago, I did zero research and they sounded like a gr8 idea. One 40 mph crash later the gloves left my hands looking like they had octopus suckers.
Rivets/eyelets can get hot on tarmac.


I remember those. Manufacturers had a thing for them for a while. I had some myself. Did wonder about that even then though.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I remember those. Manufacturers had a thing for them for a while. I had some myself. Did wonder about that even then though.


I guess if small patches of burns avoided large patches of missing skin, I'd take the burns. Rather just have thicker leather tho! Wink
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about MX armour underneath 'normal', lightweight clothing?
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
What about MX armour underneath 'normal', lightweight clothing?

Armour is for impacts rather than abrasion, the mesh holding it together will fall apart very quickly when sliding down the road.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single layer armoured jeans, more of these coming to market now, prices are still high but they are coming down slowly.

Rokkertech and Resurgence are two decent pairs, can't fault them, except the cost Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

owl wrote:
Single layer armoured jeans, more of these coming to market now, prices are still high but they are coming down slowly.

Rokkertech and Resurgence are two decent pairs, can't fault them, except the cost Evil or Very Mad


I had thought about this, I've got some Bull-It SR6 jeans which are supposedly better than leather in terms of slide time, they're comfy and look great too. Unfortunately they're fekking boiling! Like having a duvet around each leg. For the heat I'm thinking it's got to be mesh/textile or perforated/vented leather I think. Not convinced about single layer jeans in a spill. Sad Wouldn't stop me on short journeys perhaps but for long distances and spirited riding i'm not sure.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my spills except one have been in ordinary jeans. Worst I got was a scraped knee. The one I was in full leathers in, I broke my femur and got a long deep gash in my leg (mmmm, gash, I like that word Drooling), among other injuries.

There are no conclusions to be drawn from this.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 26 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlparsons wrote:
owl wrote:
Single layer armoured jeans, more of these coming to market now, prices are still high but they are coming down slowly.

Rokkertech and Resurgence are two decent pairs, can't fault them, except the cost Evil or Very Mad


I had thought about this, I've got some Bull-It SR6 jeans which are supposedly better than leather in terms of slide time, they're comfy and look great too. Unfortunately they're fekking boiling! Like having a duvet around each leg. For the heat I'm thinking it's got to be mesh/textile or perforated/vented leather I think. Not convinced about single layer jeans in a spill. Sad Wouldn't stop me on short journeys perhaps but for long distances and spirited riding i'm not sure.


resurgence has an 11 second ce certified slide time, leather is usually about 6 iirc, depending on thickness etc.
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