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Murcuseo
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Ducati Glasgow Fiasco Reply with quote

I'll try to keep this short as it's been ongoing for over a year but ultimately what I'd say is..

DON'T BUY A BIKE FROM DUCATI GLASGOW!

I bought a second hand bike(Suzuki) from them back in October of 2017. 14 plate with 5000 miles on it. It came with a 12 month warranty.

Stuck it in a container over the winter, usual story of crap weather and salty roads(Scotland, obviously). Got it back out in March/April to make the most of a couple of sunny days. Noticed there was a problem with the gearbox and took it back to Ducati. They played it off and said it was the quick shifter and claimed to have repaired and adjusted it. Said everything was sorted.

The issue still continued over the summer. I'd contacted them a number of times and spoken to them about it but they said all would be fine.

End of the season comes around and the gearbox bottled it. I took it back to them again as 6th no longer existed. The bike was still under warranty so I assumed they would help me out.

I was wrong.

They held the job to ransom initially due to a worn rear tyre(ironically they let me road test it with a worn tyre) so I had to pay for that to get it road tested. £200 down already.

I then got a phone call the next day saying the gearbox was indeed done in and it was going to cost over £3000 to repair(for a 3rd and 4th gear selector).
I laughed(as this was grossly over charging) and asked if the warranty was going to cover it, to which he replied "only the first £500". I laughed again!

After some back and forth and me getting extremely pissed off about the whole thing the numpty on the other end of the phone told me they weren't willing to help and I was on my own.

Ultimately I took the bike to Stuart Young Tuning and he sorted it for £1800 and chucked in a free service a month later just to make sure it was running well. Can't recommend him highly enough.

After going to the ombudsmen I ended up speaking with the manager at Ducati Glasgow who spent a good 30 minutes rattling on and proceeded to blame the whole thing on a member of staff who isn't there anymore and told me I was "pissing in to the wind" with the ombudsmen. He also claimed he would speak to his 'partner' and see if they could help me out. Didn't hear back from him.

The whole thing was an absolutely farce and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. Even if you're planning on buying a new Ducati from them I'd go elsewhere. Terrible customer service!

I also understand that shit happens(regarding the gearbox) but their handling of the matter was amateurish and money hungry.

Lesson learned for me!
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mercuseo wrote:
After going to the ombudsmen...

What view did they take?
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the gearbox shat itself with only 5k miles or so on it. Why weren't Ducati brought into the mix?
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Mercuseo wrote:
After going to the ombudsmen...

What view did they take?


It's still ongoing. Not with Ducati as the ombudsmen made it clear that due to warranties being unregulated they couldn't pursue it.

I'm still going through it with the finance company to see if I can recoup any of the cost.

That's been 18 months now.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

When are you taking them to court?
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my decades of experience, Ducati have only ever been known for producing turds. You can't polish one but Ducati have made an art of rolling them in glitter.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
So the gearbox shat itself with only 5k miles or so on it. Why weren't Ducati brought into the mix?


It wasn't a Ducati. It was a Suzuki and the likely culprit was the aftermarket quick shifter that had been sold with the bike.

I probably should have stated that in the first post, which I'll do now.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
When are you taking them to court?


I'll start a Gofundme! Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would cost you a grand total of £105 to use moneyclaim.gov.uk for a claim that's between £1,500 and £3,000 so there's no reason for the mess to have dragged out for 18 months.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
It would cost you a grand total of £105 to use moneyclaim.gov.uk for a claim that's between £1,500 and £3,000 so there's no reason for the mess to have dragged out for 18 months.


Didn't know about that. I'll look in to it. Cheers
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
In my decades of experience, Ducati have only ever been known for producing turds. You can't polish one but Ducati have made an art of rolling them in glitter.


How is that relevant to this gentleman's Suzuki gearbox? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Ducati Glasgow Fiasco Reply with quote

Murcuseo wrote:
I'll try to keep this short as it's been ongoing for over a year but ultimately what I'd say is..

DON'T BUY A BIKE FROM DUCATI GLASGOW!

I bought a second hand bike(Suzuki) from them back in October of 2017. 14 plate with 5000 miles on it. It came with a 12 month warranty.

Stuck it in a container over the winter, usual story of crap weather and salty roads(Scotland, obviously). Got it back out in March/April to make the most of a couple of sunny days. Noticed there was a problem with the gearbox and took it back to Ducati. They played it off and said it was the quick shifter and claimed to have repaired and adjusted it. Said everything was sorted.

The issue still continued over the summer. I'd contacted them a number of times and spoken to them about it but they said all would be fine.

End of the season comes around and the gearbox bottled it. I took it back to them again as 6th no longer existed. The bike was still under warranty so I assumed they would help me out.

I was wrong.

They held the job to ransom initially due to a worn rear tyre(ironically they let me road test it with a worn tyre) so I had to pay for that to get it road tested. £200 down already.

I then got a phone call the next day saying the gearbox was indeed done in and it was going to cost over £3000 to repair(for a 3rd and 4th gear selector).
I laughed(as this was grossly over charging) and asked if the warranty was going to cover it, to which he replied "only the first £500". I laughed again!

After some back and forth and me getting extremely pissed off about the whole thing the numpty on the other end of the phone told me they weren't willing to help and I was on my own.

Ultimately I took the bike to Stuart Young Tuning and he sorted it for £1800 and chucked in a free service a month later just to make sure it was running well. Can't recommend him highly enough.

After going to the ombudsmen I ended up speaking with the manager at Ducati Glasgow who spent a good 30 minutes rattling on and proceeded to blame the whole thing on a member of staff who isn't there anymore and told me I was "pissing in to the wind" with the ombudsmen. He also claimed he would speak to his 'partner' and see if they could help me out. Didn't hear back from him.

The whole thing was an absolutely farce and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. Even if you're planning on buying a new Ducati from them I'd go elsewhere. Terrible customer service!

I also understand that shit happens(regarding the gearbox) but their handling of the matter was amateurish and money hungry.

Lesson learned for me!


Put it back in the container, do not ride it. If you continue to ride it then you are in effect accepting it's condition as fit. (Legally)

Contact Citizens Advice. ASAP
They drag out these things on purpose to put you off.


You will probably have to inform Ducatti Glasgow (where you purchased the beast) to let them know you are taking legal advice.
Giving them an option to remedy without their legal costs.
They will need a brief to go to court and it will cost them as much as you. £2500-5000 or more in costs for a lawyer bastert.

You have a few years to claim under the sale of goods act.
Must be fit for purpose.

If Citizens Advice take too long speak to or even write a solicitor. (even contact a solicitor now) Detailing the claim you have against Ducati

You will not be able to claim costs in any court case. You will only be awarded damages if it decided in you favour.

Citizens Advice is free.
Small claims it the way to go.

I can tell you all the detail about the fite I had with BM Bastards. Mad

Im well over it now but the disappoint was strong.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you made a mistake by putting the bike away for the winter. Also aftermarket quickshifters are well known to screw over boxes that aren't designed from the outset to be used with them.

If you had have gone back within 6 months you might have been OK, because it's down to the dealer to prove that the fault did not exist before you received the bike...

Naming and shaming isn't really good practice by the way. I'm not saying none of this is their fault, but it sounds like a lot of it was exacerbated by you buying a bike and then putting it to one side for a period of time, because you didn't find out that the bike was faulty.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sales of Goods Act 1979 was replaced in 2015 by the Consumer Rights Act.

Money Claim Online is simpler than normal court proceedings. Nether you nor they will need a solicitor. Whether they use one or not is another matter.

"If you continue to ride it then you are in effect accepting it's condition as fit (Legally) " It's been fixed. Wink

In Scotchland you've got five years to take them to court under the Consumer Rights Act but as MarJay says, if you do it within the first six months of ownership then it's more straight forward than after that point.

You do not have to inform the dealer that you're taking legal advice.

You need to do things in writing rather than on the phone. You need to give the dealer one opportunity to fix it before taking to court or doing Money Claim Online. It's going to be made more complicated by the fact you've had the repair done somewhere else but that's something to worry about later.

I hope the quick shifter was on the bike when you bought it.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair I've two friends with Ducatis from them, a Diavel and a Multistrada. Both love riding the bikes but have had several issues that have been expensive to fix. Both are sick of the dealer and the waiting times for simple parts have been mad. Enough to put me off buying from them.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgm wrote:
To be fair I've two friends with Ducatis from them, a Diavel and a Multistrada. Both love riding the bikes but have had several issues that have been expensive to fix. Both are sick of the dealer and the waiting times for simple parts have been mad. Enough to put me off buying from them.


Even though BM bastarts are bastarts. They manage to get parts really quickly within 24 hrs mostly. And not minging expensive.
But they are still bastarts.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Even though BM bastarts are bastarts. They manage to get parts really quickly within 24 hrs mostly. And not minging expensive.
But they are still bastarts.


Twice my mate has had his bike in with them for over 3 weeks waiting on parts and work to get done. It's did main transport too, he managed to get a courtesy bike last time but it was a fight
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I think you made a mistake by putting the bike away for the winter. Also aftermarket quickshifters are well known to screw over boxes that aren't designed from the outset to be used with them.

If you had have gone back within 6 months you might have been OK, because it's down to the dealer to prove that the fault did not exist before you received the bike...

Naming and shaming isn't really good practice by the way. I'm not saying none of this is their fault, but it sounds like a lot of it was exacerbated by you buying a bike and then putting it to one side for a period of time, because you didn't find out that the bike was faulty.


I'm aware of my errors but my complaint is about their customer service. After being out of pocket for over £2000 and them not helping in the slightest, I don't care about what's 'good pratice'.
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PostPosted: 06:47 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murcuseo wrote:


I'm aware of my errors but my complaint is about their customer service. After being out of pocket for over £2000 and them not helping in the slightest, I don't care about what's 'good pratice'.


Unfortunately it's not about what you want and what you don't want. It's about what you are legally entitled to, and whether posting in a public forum might prejudice any legal action. Posting in a public forum does exactly nothing, other than potentially antagonise the other party.
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Murcuseo wrote:


I'm aware of my errors but my complaint is about their customer service. After being out of pocket for over £2000 and them not helping in the slightest, I don't care about what's 'good pratice'.


Unfortunately it's not about what you want and what you don't want. It's about what you are legally entitled to, and whether posting in a public forum might prejudice any legal action. Posting in a public forum does exactly nothing, other than potentially antagonise the other party.


It also helps any number of other bikers from being fucked over by the conmen masquerading as legit dealers.
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shitty dealers deserve bad publicity.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Posting in a public forum does exactly nothing, other than potentially antagonise the other party.


Was the first 'I don't care' not clear enough?
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