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Fuck me rigid. That was on a different forum 8 years ago and you've kept a copy of it?
Ever thought about seeking help, you sad individual?
I'd tread carefully if I were you Ken, because I also know your real life identity. I'm just not sad enough to publish it for everyone to see.
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| mpd72 wrote: | What did he physically do to harm anyone, did I miss that part? 20 years for thinking about doing something wrong?
It's dangerously close to a thought crime. All he did was fantasise about committing a crime, which he didn't actually commit. 20 years is more than most get for actually committing the act and murdering someone. |
Preparing an act of terrorism doesn't involve physically harming anyone.
It's not just thinking about doing something wrong and it's not just fantasising about committing a crime.
"Preparation of terrorist acts
(1)A person commits an offence if, with the intention of—
(a)committing acts of terrorism, or
(b)assisting another to commit such acts,he engages in any conduct in preparation for giving effect to his intention.
(2)It is irrelevant for the purposes of subsection (1) whether the intention and preparations relate to one or more particular acts of terrorism, acts of terrorism of a particular description or acts of terrorism generally.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life."
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/11/section/5
"A person commits an offence if a two element test is met. Those two elements are as follows:
(a) the defendant engages in any conduct in preparation for giving effect to his intention (the intention is set out in part (b)); and
(i) to commit an act of terrorism, or
(ii) to assist another person to commit such an act
An offence is committed if the preparation or intention is for a terrorist act or acts in general. It is not required that a specific terrorist act or type of act is contemplated."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-terrorism-act-2006
As he admitted to the offence, it's quite hard for you to try and argue that he's not guilty of preparing an act of terror. |
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | I don't agree with exposing people's real identity on internet forums because they are basically a digital ball-pool and not the real world. MDMA you need to be more careful because I found you in 3 clicks from that TRC screenshot. All I'll say is 'Chilli' to prove it |
Which is exactly why Captain Small Dick keeps a copy of it for over 8 years and posted it.
This is how small man syndrome works on the Internet. When they can't attack people in real life, they hide behind keyboards acting all Billy Big Bollocks.
Apparently it's me that keep posting my real life identity, not Cucklio and Titchy Penis doxxing me to score Internet points. |
Is that you getting stuffed on the inside at Cadwell?
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Diggs wrote: |
Is that you getting stuffed on the inside at Cadwell? |
Do you want a copy of my medical records to add to your file too?
Creepy. |
No thanks.
You should be flattered that I took the time to type your name into the YouTube search box. Given your somewhat conservative line into the right am I correct in presuming new tyres/pads?
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The CPS wouldn't have gone with the prosecution if there wasn't enough proof. |
I'm not so sure anymore. This seems like a showcase trial along the lines of the Nazi scatter cushion couple who were jailed for being in a banned Nazi club, but who had hurt nobody.
Wasn't this act changed after Saint Jo was killed? It seems that if the intended target is an MP, then somehow this makes the crime more serious and the sentence longer.
Proving intent is a very difficult thing to do and is moving towards the theme of Minority Report, where people are tried for crimes they haven't yet committed. We can't prove this wierdo was actually going to carry out the crime, all we are doing is guessing, so they've made a crime out of guessing that someone has intention to commit a crime.
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| Ste wrote: | If he committed the act he planned then the offence wouldn't have been preparing an act of terrorism.
Making preparations is more than just boasting that you're going to stab an MP with an expensive knife you've bought online, it's things like making "detailed arrangements".
The CPS wouldn't have gone with the prosecution if there wasn't enough proof. |
My guess is that there was evidence of commitment in his personality from people who knew him. Something like, "you know, he's just the kind of guy that would do it, too. Somebody ought to report this one." And giving a nazi salute in the courtroom is a bit of an indicator too  Probably ought to be locked up for a while just for general public safety purposes.
20 years? Does seem a bit stringent, but maybe he'll come around to more normal behaviour during his incarceration and he won't serve all of that.
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| chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: | 20 years? Does seem a bit stringent, but maybe he'll come around to more normal behaviour during his incarceration and he won't serve all of that. |
He must serve at least 20 years in prison. He can appeal the sentence if he wants to but I'm guessing he prefers being a martyr to his cause.
| mpd72 wrote: | Wasn't this act changed after Saint Jo was killed? It seems that if the intended target is an MP, then somehow this makes the crime more serious and the sentence longer. |
Not sure, I can't find anything about it being changed after Jo Cox was killed but there's a lot of pages about Jo Cox and about Thomas Mair.
MP's or anyone with a high profile have always been seen as more important than lowly proles.
| mpd72 wrote: | Proving intent is a very difficult thing to do |
It's not intent to prepare an act of terrorism. In terms of proving it, that's made quite easy if the accused admits the offence.
| mpd72 wrote: | We can't prove this wierdo was actually going to carry out the crime |
Preparation is the crime. Whether he would have carried it out or whether he would have had a change of heart at the last minute is impossible to know either way but he'd still made the preparations.
The harshness of his sentence is one I think we can agree on. |
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| Ste wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | Wasn't this act changed after Saint Jo was killed? It seems that if the intended target is an MP, then somehow this makes the crime more serious and the sentence longer. |
MP's or anyone with a high profile have always been seen as more important than lowly proles. |
If you think about it, it is more serious in some ways. An MP is supposed to be a representative of the system in which we all live, vote, participate, so it is seen as an attack on all of us. The fact we've lost faith in our MPs as people in many cases lately isn't really anything to do with it. It's the office they represent, in the same way that in the military, you salute the rank, not the man.
Attacks on police are similar. A crime is a crime, but when the attack is aimed at those who enforce the law, again, it's an attack on the system that is supposed to protect us all.
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If you think about it, it is more serious in some ways. An MP is supposed to be a representative of the system in which we all live, vote, participate, so it is seen as an attack on all of us. |
I'm sure I'd get over the attack of an MP pretty quickly.
Didn't that bloke get chokey just for saying a nasty word at a Remain MP outside Westminster recently? They really are so disconnected with reality lately, it's hardly surprising that it's coming back to bite them.
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MDMA, why the bad Karma for asking if that was you at Cadwell? You know I'll have to go tit for tat with things you post...
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| mpd72 wrote: | | chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: |
If you think about it, it is more serious in some ways. An MP is supposed to be a representative of the system in which we all live, vote, participate, so it is seen as an attack on all of us. |
I'm sure I'd get over the attack of an MP pretty quickly.
Didn't that bloke get chokey just for saying a nasty word at a Remain MP outside Westminster recently? They really are so disconnected with reality lately, it's hardly surprising that it's coming back to bite them. |
I'm sure you would
There probably are some instances of injustice in some sentencing, but overall the system isn't a bad one. If you want to overthrow it, you'd better have something workable ready to go in its place. Our system does get reviewed from time to time in details, which should be enough.
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but MDMA if you stop giving me bad Karma, I'll stop responding in kind. Just because I came across a YouTube video of you at Cadwell adopting a steady line into a corner doesn't make me a bad person!
If I posted a link to it however, that would be wrong because it has your name. Don't worry, I'm not going to do that.
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