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PostPosted: 10:46 - 25 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've been to China. The things that struck me most were:

Modern, high tech high rise buildings within metres of medieval slums.

The Government really doesn't want foreigners to venture off the official tourist path and see the way most of the population live.

Air pollution in Bejing.

How few westerners there are outside the big cities.

How good the food is. Haven't had a Chinese takeaway in this country since.

How feckin' steep the Great Wall is. Bloody dangerous!

People in military-style uniforms doing menial jobs like clearing rubbish.

Spitting.

How keen people are to learn English.

Obsession with tea.

I could go on....
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 25 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
I've been to China. The things that struck me most were:

Modern, high tech high rise buildings within metres of medieval slums.

The Government really doesn't want foreigners to venture off the official tourist path and see the way most of the population live.

Air pollution in Bejing.

How few westerners there are outside the big cities.

How good the food is. Haven't had a Chinese takeaway in this country since.

How feckin' steep the Great Wall is. Bloody dangerous!

People in military-style uniforms doing menial jobs like clearing rubbish.

Spitting.

How keen people are to learn English.

Obsession with tea.

I could go on....


Even though you just told me, I can't really possibly know any of that because I haven't been there myself.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 25 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
It really isn't possible to know anything about China until you've been here for yourself.

That's like parents trying to tell me that because I don't have any kids of my own, I can't possibly be worldly enough to
accurately diagnose that theirs are little undisciplined little bastards.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 25 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
In my day it was ADHD... none of this "on the spectrum" malarkey Smile

The problem is they aren't actually lying: their kids do have autism. But then, everyone literally does but it's the degree that's crucial.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 25 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Someone remind me what this thread is supposed to about again? Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 26 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lol... oh yeah!

Homer Simpson wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work.


Winston Churchill wrote:
Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

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Lord Percy
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PostPosted: 06:08 - 26 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
I've been to China. The things that struck me most were:

Modern, high tech high rise buildings within metres of medieval slums.

The Government really doesn't want foreigners to venture off the official tourist path and see the way most of the population live.

Air pollution in Bejing.

How few westerners there are outside the big cities.

How good the food is. Haven't had a Chinese takeaway in this country since.

How feckin' steep the Great Wall is. Bloody dangerous!

People in military-style uniforms doing menial jobs like clearing rubbish.

Spitting.

How keen people are to learn English.

Obsession with tea.

I could go on....


How long ago was this?

I've been all over China, rough parts, rich parts, slums, the lot. Nobody has any business telling anyone they can or can't go anywhere. I even got bloody close to Tibet (the Tibetan autonomous prefecture which for all intents and purposes is Tibet) and spoke to locals (Tibetans) about their life under the Chinese government. Was quite enlightening.

Not once did I ever feel like I was going to a place the government didn't want me to see. For that kind of thing, it's just the usual - military bases etc.

Maybe things have changed a lot over the years. The thing about government minders only happens when TV crews or journalists go over. The several million foreigners living in China are as free as they would be in any other country, and can see whatever they like. I even have a mate who lived in a slummy area because he thought it was cool. It's quite a common thing.
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PostPosted: 06:09 - 26 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
grr666 wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
It really isn't possible to know anything about China until you've been here for yourself.

That's like parents trying to tell me that because I don't have any kids of my own, I can't possibly be worldly enough to
accurately diagnose that theirs are little undisciplined little bastards.
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Fair point. What I really mean is, judging by what most people say, they have absolutely no clue about the place, and would probably do very well by just visiting for themselves.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 26 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
HardlyDavidson wrote:


Homer Simpson wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work.


Democracy isn't a bad system. It's people that fuck it up.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:

Democracy isn't a bad system. It's people that fuck it up.


Democracy would be a great thing to have back.

All I see these days is plutocracy.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:

Democracy isn't a bad system. It's people that fuck it up.


Democracy would be a great thing to have back.

All I see these days is plutocracy.


Maybe, but Marxism is never the answer. It's about balance.
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