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PostPosted: 15:34 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Who won EU elections Leave or Remain? Reply with quote

Carole Cadwalladr:

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The idea that the Brexit Party is a Ďnewí party is a total fiction. Itís just the latest host body for Farage - the tapeworm of British politics.


Farage has got +5 seats in addition to 2014 24 UKIP seats which he already has. UKIP got zero.

Farage huge win is just a hot air. The number of seats and votes prove it:

2014: 4,376,635 27.49%
2019: 5,248,533 31.6%

Remain parties 2019: 40%


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Leave BRX+UKIP: 5,802,996
Remain parties: 6,149,145
Fence LabCon: 3,859,402

The same as reported by BBC:

BBC 2016: 52/48 for Farage is overwhelming win!
BBC 2019: 40/31 for Remain is clear winner for the 31% Brexit party?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
blah blah blah blah blah

Fuck off, haven't you already got enough Brexit threads?
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

On results night, Caroline Lucas was saying how the climate change issue had attracted a lot of voters to the Green party.

So I'm afraid you can't use 100% of Greens in your calculation.

Also the Tories were campaigning as a Leave party so as above.

Labour is split so as above.

Not all SNP voters are Remain voters, so as above.

etc etc
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

True fact - Val actually makes me racist.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A measure of success which hasn't been adequately discussed is importance of the newly elected MEPs in the next EP.

In this respect ALDE is a clear winner, as they have become a 3rd largest MEP group and it will be very difficult to form any working coalition without them. Here it's good news for LD voters, as their MEPs can be expected to actually do something constructive.

Labour's beating contributed to the overall loss of S&D, but they can still be expected to work with EPP & ALDE sometimes.

Tories were nobodies already in the 8th EP's ECR, so nothing new here.

Lastly, EFA becomes EP's 4th force, so Greens can mean something as well.

EFDD, on the other hand, has negligible chances of doing anything but publishing hundreds of "BREXITEER DESTROYS!!!!!!!!11111111 USSREU BUREUCRATS IN 2 SECONDS" Youtube videos, because by their very nature they won't work with anyone.
Also, considering Farage limited company's manifesto (hard Brexit), they are probably clueless as to what MEPs competences actually are, precluding them from doing any work.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going by how all the snowflakes are so desperate to find even more absurd ways of pretending Farage didnít piss it, iíd Say itís pretty obvious who won.

Or you could just look at the vote share if the only two single issue parties, Change UK and TBP.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste is right, too many threads. And yes you are also right, this is a moderate increase as the Brexit non party is UKIP 2.0. I actually expected far more but I guess they are just disproportionately loud.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:20 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Ste is right, too many threads. And yes you are also right, this is a moderate increase as the Brexit non party is UKIP 2.0. I actually expected far more but I guess they are just disproportionately loud.


Nonsense. Can we bring some fact into this remain dressed cobblers?

In the last European elections, UKIP beat there nearest rivals, Labour and the Tories by only 2 or 3%. In this election, TBP beat their nearest rivals, The Literal Undemocrats, by over 11%, making TBP the joint largest party in the European parliament.

Hardly "moderate", it's almost a 4 fold increase in the lead over second place. I'm impressed by the creativity remainers are using in finding new ways to play down that Farage absolutely pissed it by quite some margin.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In another headline, he will also tax non London football fans a pollution tax for breathing within the ULEZ.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
[Nonsense. Can we bring some fact into this remain dressed cobblers?.


Yes, you do speak a lot of that. I understand your comprehension is blinded by your biases but it gets boring explaining a simple descriptive point to actual cracked tin pot theorists.

To analyse this through the lens of the issue of Brexit it is really easy to split.

Hard leave.
Hard remain.
Soft Brexit.

Lab/Con = soft which is not Brexit and is not Remain. The parties after that are split down a binary choice predominantly on this issue.
Representative vote share gives you the figures and this disregards the people who got fucked out of the vote, never mind the fact that the turnout was still shite.

I mean I am actually genuinely surprised, I thought your side would get far more with the money and organisation being poured behind Farage. I guess your side just shrieks really really loudly.

I know this triggers you sweety but don't worry, you can have your echo chamber back soon.

And it looks like we may get a final say anyway (inference) so you may get to play this for real again, should keep you spun out nicely for a bit longer yet, enjoy your rage.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Waffle, skirting around the fact that TBP pissed it by some margin, getting 11% more of the vote than their nearest rival


What is it with the denial in you lot - Can't your egos cope with losing?

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PostPosted: 18:00 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any fule can play with statistics, but the truth of the matter is that despite some describing this a second referendum, it doesn't indicate how the electorate would vote if we actually had one...
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
In this respect ALDE is a clear winner,

And so we're back to the EU bogeyman, Guy Verhostadt, ALDE's leader and a rabid federalist. A good reason to want to leave then.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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Waffle, skirting around the fact that TBP pissed it by some margin, getting 11% more of the vote than their nearest rival


What is it with the denial in you lot - Can't your egos cope with losing?

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Remind me how much more of the vote UKIP got last GE, compared to the greens and SNP, and how many seats they won?
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Val wrote:
blah blah blah blah blah

Fuck off, haven't you already got enough Brexit threads?


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PostPosted: 19:13 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've ignored the issue of turnout. UK turnout for the EU elections was 37%, which is typical of previous EU elections. The referendum turnout was 72%. Many Leavers are now disillusioned with politics yet Farage won even without them. Imagine if they were convinced to vote next time.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


Remind me how much more of the vote UKIP got last GE, compared to the greens and SNP, and how many seats they won?


There is already evidence that Farage's limited company may fare much worse in GE.

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PostPosted: 19:49 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm. The figures stated by the OP only hold true if you discount Labour and Conservative as "undecided"

However both the conservative and labour parties are pro-brexit. Their official position is that they will exit the European Union. Both parties voted for article 50. They just can't decide how they want to go about it.

So 58.1% of the seats went to pro-brexit parties.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


Remind me how much more of the vote UKIP got last GE, compared to the greens and SNP, and how many seats they won?


There is already evidence that Farage's limited company may fare much worse in GE.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-to-next-election.jpg


TBP is less than 2 months old. It just pissed the European elections with 50% more votes than its nearest competitor. They haven't yet even appointed their 650 plus candidates, out if over 1,300 applicants going through interview now, nor have they put the draft manifesto (or policy as Farage will call it) to the supporters to get input over the content.

Letís start looking at GE polls a bit nearer the GE shall we, or would that not fit your agenda?
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no winners in EU elections, only loosers.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
There are no winners in EU elections, only loosers.


Or if you listen to the RemainStreamMedia, the winner lost and the losers won. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Umm. The figures stated by the OP only hold true if you discount Labour and Conservative as "undecided"


Already addressed. As Farage, his supporters and several people on this forum keep bleating, A deal exit is not Brexit which, and as Labour offer only a modified version of the same, they cancel it out as either a third option or undecided. This is Farage's very reasoning and justification to his base and fills his rhetoric which his supporters then parrot.

They cannot have it both ways no matter what illogical frame people keep trying to twist onto it.

And I'm done on this circlejirk thread. Far more interesting things to watch going forward so enjoy your stay if this sideshow is important to you.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Umm. The figures stated by the OP only hold true if you discount Labour and Conservative as "undecided"


Already addressed. As Farage, his supporters and several people on this forum keep bleating, A deal exit is not Brexit which, and as Labour offer only a modified version of the same, they cancel it out as either a third option or undecided. This is Farage's very reasoning and justification to his base and fills his rhetoric which his supporters then parrot.

They cannot have it both ways no matter what illogical frame people keep trying to twist onto it.

And I'm done on this circlejirk thread. Far more interesting things to watch going forward so enjoy your stay if this sideshow is important to you.


So leaving with a deal is remaining then?

You lot are hilarious! You change the rules to suit you, instead of admitting miserable defeat.
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